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    Even before this game, I think Miller has done a pretty good job spreading around the minutes. It's good, in the long term, to get these younger players some PT early on. As they get more comfortable and more productive, they may even see more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baddog View Post
    Even before this game, I think Miller has done a pretty good job spreading around the minutes. It's good, in the long term, to get these younger players some PT early on. As they get more comfortable and more productive, they may even see more.
    According to kenpom, Butler's bench only plays 29.1% of games, which is good for 240 out of 351 teams. The DI average is 31.6%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd5 View Post
    According to kenpom, Butler's bench only plays 29.1% of games, which is good for 240 out of 351 teams. The DI average is 31.6%.
    LSU game could be skewing that a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firedupkaren View Post
    LSU game could be skewing that a little.
    When you factor out the LSU game, the bench is playing 32.1% of the minutes

    When you factor out LSU and last night's game, the bench is playing 28.8% of the minutes.

    So part of it is LSU, and another big part is that Butler's been in a LOT of close games so far this season. Princeton, Vandy, Ball State, Washington State, Oklahoma State. You're not going to play your bench a lot in those games unless you're forced to (as was the case against Wazzou when Barlow was in foul trouble and played 17 minutes). Sometimes it's a short rotation because those guys are the best chance the team has of winning. That's not to say the younger guys can't help them win, but it might just be later in the season or even next year when we start to see that happen. Sometimes a deep rotation signals you've got a lot of talent, and sometimes it signals that you don't have much. Different game, but in the NBA, typically the teams with the best benches don't win the championship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishdawg View Post
    Different game, but in the NBA, typically the teams with the best benches don't win the championship.
    Don't have stats in front of me (and don't want to derail this thread) but over a best of 7 game series NBA Championship (not to mention the series before the championship) I would doubt that is accurate. Deep benches are needed in the NBA playoffs, much like they are needed for extended runs in Conference and NCAA Tournaments. Avery Jukes and Chrishawn Hopkins in the NCAA tournament come to mind specifically for Butler in the last 5 years.

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    Personal opinion, I've always thought that wearing out your starters will hurt in the long run with shooters' legs getting tired during the course of a rough conference schedule. That said, not sure if the numbers really bear that out:

    2012 Major Conference Tournament Champs-

    Miami (312th in bench minutes)
    Kansas (325th)
    Louisville (149th)
    Ohio State (273rd)
    Oregon (126th)
    Mississippi (191st)

    Top Big East teams Villanova and Creighton are 226th and 208th this year.

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    St Joes last year in the A10 had a very good starting 5, but absolutely no bench. They just wilted in the A10 race....

    What concerns me is when Dunham has to go to the bench. If he gets into foul trouble, we would be in a real bind right now. And I don't want him to be totally gassed by March if he has to play 37 minutes a night during the Reg season.

    Brown has to become a viable contributor on BOTH ends of the court. Chrabascz can give us spot minutes and I think Berry will eventually be a player for us, but he isn't forceful enough on the def glass or in the Post right now. Jury still out on Castro, Morgan, Aldridge etc....those 6 will have to form some semblance of a Bench for us. Manchester was a good sweat for guys last night, but that game really didn't tell us much. Purdue/UE more so in the next few weeks. As physical as Purdue plays and as many homer calls we might get down in the Ford center, I think the bench will be a necessity due to foul trouble.

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    I think it's just reality that Dunham, regardless as to whether or not the bench can find some scoring is going to be playing a lot of minutes out of necessity because he's the best scorer on the team. Like you butlerfan, I do have concerns about him wearing down during the conference schedule, but at this point, all I feel like can be done is to hope some guys step up and take the reins from him a bit so he's not playing so much.

    Purdue's going to be a great test for the team - they have a bunch of guys that are likely going to guard Dunham, starting with Terone Johnson. They'll very likely need some other guys to step up as they have the length and athleticism to bother both he and Marshall.

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    You seem to be correct and my assumptions were wrong (at least in regards to NCAA)

    2013 NCAA Season:
    DI Season Bench Minute Average: 30.6%
    Elite 8 Teams Season Bench Minute Average: 27.6%

    Louisville 31.3% (149)
    Michigan 20.4% (333)
    Syracuse 24.9% (301)
    Wichita St 35.9% (66)
    Ohio St 26.0% (273)
    Duke 23.9% (311)
    Florida 25.3% (290)
    Marquette 33.6% (103)

    2012 NCAA Season:
    DI Season Bench Minute Average: 30.4%
    Elite 8 Season Bench Minute Average: 25.3%

    Kentucky 21.6% (323)
    Kansas 22.7% (314)
    Ohio St. 23.5% (308)
    Louisville 18.3% (340)
    Baylor 30.1% (186)
    Syracuse 33.9% (94)
    Florida 25.3% (281)
    North Carolina 27.3% (247)

    2011 NCAA Season:
    DI Season Bench Minute Average: 30.7%
    Elite 8 Season Bench Minute Average: 28.9%

    UConn 29.1% (206)
    Butler 27.6% (247)
    VCU 27.0% (259)
    Kentucky 20.2% (334)
    North Carolina 31.2% (157)
    Kansas 32.0% (138)
    Florida 27.6% (246)
    Arizona 36.2% (57)

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