2018-2019 Season Review

Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by MasterSplinter, Mar 21, 2019.

  1. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. The value of analytics at work.


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  2. pjohnsto2003

    pjohnsto2003 Well-Known Member

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    What was the basis for your first sentence? I inferred you were equating fouls shots to shot attempts. Maybe not. Even if not, yours is inherently incorrect, as an attempt that goes in where someone is fouled is still an attempt. So trading four free throws for two shot attempts is not always the case. What if it’s a one-and-one and they miss the first? What if the non foul call resulted in a turnover without a shot going up?

    I get you want to be right and poke holes in everyone’s examples. Please be aware that there are a number of assumptions in that original statement of yours that are either missing or inferred or incorrect. I don’t want to be, or even like being, confrontational on a message board. Just pointing out that strong arming folks on this board to believe what you say is absolute and correct because statistics tell us so is old.

    Can we all agree that the team sucked at getting fouls called and, that the potential existed to get a few more points on the board in some games that could have been a win? The game is not played on a computer, but in real life. Predictive analytics are great, but they need to be tempered.


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  3. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    I addressed every single instance that you mentioned as a caveat previously in this thread.

    I was equating free throw rate to both adjusted offensive efficiency and adjusted net efficiency.

    I was then explaining why they don’t correlate by showing that over thousands and thousands of instances, the value of free throws does not heavily outweigh the value of normal possessions in order to demonstrate that lack of free throw attempts is a quality, but not a flaw of our offense.

    There are no such things as predictive analytics in binary events. Analytics just help you make more informed decision and make better sense of information and what you are seeing and also help you see things you may have otherwise missed. There’s no guarantees, and frequently the right decision will have the wrong outcome, but that doesn’t make it the wrong decision.



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  4. ButlerAlumDad716

    ButlerAlumDad716 Active Member VIP Member

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    Just a theory. It's a fact the Butler had a few players limited by injury when camp started over the summer. It's also a fact that Butler had a transfer ineligible for competition 1st semester. As a parent of a former Bulldog I know what goes on in the camps and preseason and how important learning tendencies and movement of your court teammates are as no two skill sets are identical. Pre-conference was pretty smooth and so many were anticipating the explosion when the the team achieved full strength. Unfortunately the "Dawgs" didn't explode, they imploded! What if LJ and staff started preseason concentrating on available players for conference play and honing that skill set sacrificing out of conference? Basketball EQ, reactions, muscle memory, etc. would have been garnered in preseason rather than "on the job" training while worrying about a history exam, science lab or psych final. The pieces are somewhat in place once the recruiting class hits campus in 94 days. The hardest job LJ and staff will have is getting everyone to buy into the system and understand as well as accept their individual and team roles. Which player will step forward in a leadership role on the court and in the locker room? Who's willing to get into someone's face for the good of the "Team"? If you think LJ has an upcoming problem, what's Boeheim going to do trying to handle his son Buddy, former Bulldog recruit Howard Washington Jr. and his incoming recruit the nations leading scorer Joe Girard!!!
     
  5. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been tied up all day and am stunned to see the argument over foul shots has been the focus all day. Don’t you all have a job or life?
     
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  6. Daddysmack

    Daddysmack Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    This is exactly where I was sitting before this conversation started, and there are a ton of variables. However
    Nope
     
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  7. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    *checks number of Insane Dawg posts*

    10,657


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  8. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    I don’t have a job and this is my life. I was taken away from this sight today and my life was temporarily ruined.
     
  9. Hank Kimball

    Hank Kimball Active Member

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  10. Hinkle Nation

    Hinkle Nation Active Member

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  11. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    No doubt, why don't we just make two extra three pointers per game if the data suggests offense is that easy?
     
  12. Staxawax

    Staxawax Well-Known Member

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  13. cornette33

    cornette33 Well-Known Member

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    This is interesting
     

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  14. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    Wonder who is the third.
     
  15. mwall787

    mwall787 Well-Known Member

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    Butler seniors Paul Jorgensen and Nate Fowler will be part of the BIG EAST entry in the championship, alongside St. John's Marvin Clark and Providence's Isaiah Jackson.
     
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  16. Lukas Harkins

    Lukas Harkins Well-Known Member

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    Not sure where else to put this...so...uhhh... Butler at Baylor in the BE-B12 Challenge.

     
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  17. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's a beatdown waiting to happen. Ugh.
     
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  18. Red1972

    Red1972 Well-Known Member

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    Could be ugly.
     
  19. Danville Bulldog

    Danville Bulldog Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    opening line:
    Butler +9.5
     
  20. willisbrown

    willisbrown Well-Known Member

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    Take Baylor with all you got.
     

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