2018 Coaching Carousel

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  1. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The Pistons essentially have no cap room (barring a major roster shake-up) until 2020. Two of their three highest paid players are 28 and 29 and both are frequently injured. They'll be paying Blake Griffin $39 million in 2021/22 (not a typo). Their last few draft picks have been underwhelming, to say the least, and they really don't have many trade assets. They're currently replacing their coach, president of basketball operations, and GM.

    Don't do it, John. That path leads only to darkness.
     
  2. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    Yeah, only reason I can see him taking this is because it's a bucket list type of item for him as a coach. It's literally one of the worst jobs in the NBA right now given their roster and cap situation. It's not even a Boston Celtics type of job in which they have tons of future draft assets and a steady front office. If it's between Dwayne Casey and John Beilein, Casey should be the front runner since he did a good job rebuilding Toronto, but considering the Pistons' owner is an MSU alum, I could easily see him taking Beilein.
     
  3. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Just to spite UM? lol. Let's be honest, though, rich people are the absolute pettiest.
     
  4. Jared Grubbs

    Jared Grubbs Administrator Staff Member

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    I doubt this ends up poorly for Butler, but I’ll be rooting for Casey to get the job because I’m not ready to go through this again...


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  5. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    Yeah if Butler's on its 5th head coach in 7 seasons, and 4th coaching change in the month of June or later (which is insane to think about), I may give up on getting coaching stability unless they're awful.
     
  6. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    Woo more buyout more towards a practice facility!


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  7. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...wolverines-basketball-john-beilein/664846002/

    From the above Detroit Free Press article:

    "Time to pay the man enough that he has no choice but to stay in Ann Arbor. Time to up the money for his coaching staff, his support staff and everything surrounding his program.

    Beilein has never been the type to chase dollar signs. He talks more about his faith than his contract. He has inserted himself into the fabric of the institution and has been one of its steadiest hands for more than a decade. Whether or not he's asking for a Brink's truck doesn't matter.

    Michigan needs to give it to him and the rest of his program.

    Beilein's last contract extension put him at $3.37 million annually, good for No. 9 nationally. U-M can certainly bump that and give him a top-five salary (according to USA TODAY, Michigan State's Tom Izzo was fifth nationally last season at about $4.359 million), but that's not the entire story here.

    At the moment, Beilein's coaching staff (Luke Yaklich, Saddi Washington and DeAndre Haynes) make a combined $675,000. Ohio State has more than $1 million set aside for its assistant coaching pool. Both Indiana and MSU pay more than $800,000.

    Michigan's football staff had three assistant coaches last season that made more than Beilein's entire coaching staff by themselves. They coached on an 8-5 team that lost in the Outback Bowl.

    Beilein's guys came within one game of a national title.

    Football is king at Michigan and it always will be. It also brings in more money. Not a little bit more, a lot more. A 2016 study found Michigan's men's basketball program generated a three-year average revenue number of $14.2 million. The football program brought in $87 million.

    The money shouldn't be even, that's not realistic. But the basketball staff is underpaid and it's plainly obvious."
     
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  8. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    If Barry hasn't started doing this yet he may want to start putting in language that for a coach to be hired by another NCAA program after a certain date in the summer causes the buyout to balloon to some astronomical figure. Right now I'd be surprised if it's all that much since it's likely tied to his salary. Hopefully Barry can extend LaVall because he definitely deserves a bump in pay.
     
  9. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    That would be great, assuming LJ or another coach would sign the contract. Agree that Vall deserves a raise.
     
  10. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    That's always the question, but I think it could be done fairly for both sides. Buyout would be a normal amount in March and April when a lot of the coaching carousel is in motion, so it wouldn't prevent him or any coach from taking another college job when 99% of the turnover occurs. In May the buyout would be more, June even higher since recruits and returning players are enrolling in summer classes, July at its highest (because of the live period), and then it could start coming back down in August. Similarly, for the school to buyout his contract during those months (assuming the coach wasn't being let go for cause) could rise at a similar rate, as it's obviously harder for coaches to find other jobs during that time period. The clause also wouldn't prevent a coach from jumping to the NBA, as the adjusted buyout would only pertain to other NCAA institutions during that time period.

    It gives additional security for the school and for the players, and if you're a coach it prevents another Thad Matta situation from occurring. Unless I'm missing something (which is very possible), I don't know why a coach wouldn't want to sign it.
     
  11. TheDawgDub95

    TheDawgDub95 Active Member

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    Do we have any idea where LaVall's comp started out or what it's projected to be, as is? Any feel for assistant' s comp structure?

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  12. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    I definitely don't want to go through this again, but Belein isn't getting younger, and I'd rather go through it now than in 4 years (when, I assume, LaVall will be a hotter HC candidate). I really don't think Michigan will target a guy with two years HC experience (one of which he was coaching one of the worst teams in the NCAA). I think they should, because I think LaVall is a good coach and will become a great one. But I highly highly highly doubt they will. The only thing that makes me nervous is that it's June, so options are a lot more limited. But if you gave me 10-1 odds, I still wouldn't take it.
     
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  13. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    If Belein accepts/gets the pistons job which he a top 2 option, LaVall would 100% get at least a call. But this is exactly why Barry Collier hired an alumni because he knew things like this would happen again. I am confident LaVall gets a call, I am also confident LaVall would decline the offer to an interview at this moment. Credit Collier for continuing to hire some great coaches even if he is cheap at times.
     
  14. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    I do agree that it's much better to have this job open up now for the reasons Hinkle listed, but I'm not going to feel terribly confident if it happens. Because of the lack of available candidates, it makes it more likely that Michigan goes with one of their assistants, because if Beilein does take the Pistons job, he may not take many, if any of his assistants with him since none of them have any NBA coaching experience.

    I also agree with SpartanDawgs that Coach Jordan is absolutely going to get a call if that happens. He's one of the most popular (along with their current assistants and Juwan Howard) candidates listed on their message boards and Twitter. While AD's rarely, if ever, hire based on that, as Hinkle said, the list is probably going to be pretty short because of the timing of it, and Butler is a pretty easy target for a program with money like Michigan. A 3rd move for the family in as many years would be tough (he did promise his oldest daughter that she wasn't going to have to change schools again before she graduates), but the fact they'd be returning to a place they already know would probably make that easier to swallow.

    I hope ultimately this is much ado about nothing, Coach Jordan and the staff get raises and extensions, Beilein stays and tabs one of his assistants as the head coach in waiting, or Beilein leaves and they hire someone else who runs the program well for the next decade or two.
     
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  15. Title

    Title Well-Known Member

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    Hard to take Butler seriously at this point with all the coaching turnover, but that would certainly kill off any last vestiges of those that do.
     
  16. Crash

    Crash Active Member

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    Welcome back BJ. Trolling is so much fun, isn't it!?!
    Wouldn't it be awesome if our Alma Mater crashed and burned and was never to be heard again? Isn't that what we all want?
    Happiness is 2 kinds of ice cream and watching my beloved Butler Bulldogs die a slow painful death, BECAUSE, I for some reason have deep rooted pain that only other suffering will resolve.
     
  17. xfan1989

    xfan1989 Well-Known Member

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    I'd have to imagine Lavall is more of courtesy interview type of dude at this point. He hasn't shown enough for a top level job like that yet- but you'd want to keep him close in case you're looking for a new coach in 4-5 years and he has shown that he's a top candidate.

    But with that I'd be surprised if he would take an interview...on the one hand - why turn it down if you'd eventually be interested, on the other- would you really want to be showing your hand with all Butlers been through last few years if there's such a small chance you could get that job? He's barely been at Butler for year- don't know that you want to go pissing anyone off at this point.

    I actually think he did really well this year and would be a great hire for any school at this point, but if I'm an UM fan I think I can prob grab someone with a more established track record and I'd be right too.

    We've lost a couple guys (xavier simpson, charles matthews) recently to them so I'm more than happy for him to bounce.
     
  18. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    It might not be the most favorable option but at least we have Thad Matta living less than 10 miles away from Hinkle right now on his couch. Butler would once again be fine if this disaster were to happen.
     
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  19. BullDawg2789

    BullDawg2789 Active Member

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    People are actually worried that LaVall might leave? summer causing the rumor mills to go overboard yet again


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  20. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    I don't think anyone is worried yet. Just the very small chance of him leaving is something to talk about since we already have the class of 2018 and 2019 spoken for :D:D:D
     
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