It was @knobcreekfan that asked for a comparison of LJ versus Holtmann and other coaches. The attached compares LJ versus Holtmann and all current BE coaches. It specifically looks at the overall and conf record of the first four years and the last four years of a coach at their BE school (it does not look at coaching at other schools prior/after). I chose the last four years because we've been in conf for four years and it should be the minimum coaches are given to demonstrate their ability (notice I said should be). The average for all the coaches first four years overall (conf) records are 18-15 (7-10). That improves to 20-13 (9-9) in the last four years suggesting coaches have gotten better with time probably due to roster stability and coaching improvement/adjustments. The key takeaway - those averages are not great, and LJ is already coaching at a last four years type of level. It's also clear that Jay Wright, Ed Cooley, and Greg McDermott are the class of BE coaches. Holtmann was on par with them and even better than most in conference play, quite remarkable given the situation he was also thrust into (full disclosure - I'm not a huge Holtmann fan after what happened, but hard to argue he can coach/manage a programme). Also, to all of those who are calling out the programme and Collier, could you please cite one piece of evidence that the programme is heading in the wrong direction? Donor money? Season tickets? Recruitment? Overall student enrollment? National standing? Graduation rates? Mentions in the police blotter? I don't think any of those metrics wash, so you are left with, well we don't play like Butler or some other line. But none of that holds up to scrutiny and you need to start to accept that the Butler style of old isn't coming back (that doesn't exclude us from playing the Butler Way though, whatever that means). Our positive trajectory is even more remarkable given we are the ONLY programme with serious coaching turnover (X and Georgetown maybe joining us) yet have maintained excellence. Edit - Source is Wikipedia coach pages. Also I was too lazy to find avg for all Power 5 coaches over same time periods. Would be nice to know though.