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Discussion in 'Around the League' started by gmoser1210, Sep 5, 2013.

  1. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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  2. mwall787

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    Seton hall just helped themselves out. Finished on an 18-0 run to beat Marquette.

    Also gave Nova a share of the regular season title.


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  3. Insane Dawg

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    Seton Hall just punched their ticket. Myles Powell is amazing. Guy just takes over games.
     
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  4. bumba

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    DePaul giving GT a bonafied beat down at home. Up 20+ in the first half.
     
  5. pjohnsto2003

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    Almost 30. Strus is in overdrive right now. He should be first team all BE. Dude is SOLID.


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  6. Insane Dawg

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    DePaul 54 GT 31 at half time. Strus is definitely all BE. He is all motor. Love how he and Myles Powell play. Pleasure to watch both.
     
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  7. pjohnsto2003

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    Unfortunately, I don’t think he gets the recognition. I think BE first team is as follows:

    Ponds
    Booth
    Howard
    Paschall
    Houser (elder)

    DePaul has very few wins without Strus. Same for Powell and SHU. Hope I’m wrong.


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  8. Red1972

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    Strus visited Butler, Holtmann didn't offer> Oh ya Kyle Young was coming so therefore no offer. Holtmann still casts a shadow at Butler!
     
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  9. estar20dawg

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    The big east does 6 and there's no way Powell isn't one of them I feel

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    Ed Cooly (sp?) gave the best timeout speech to a team I've ever heard. He called out every single player AND himself for thinking of themselves and not the team. And he did it in a very calm and collected manner. Result? The Friars erased a 17-point 2nd half deficit and sent the game to overtime. Creighton held on for the win but that speech should be recorded and memorized by every coach in BBL.


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  11. Insane Dawg

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    We don't want to play DePaul.
     
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  13. theenforcer13

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    Just like how Butler wouldn't beat X right? We own those guys, would love to play them again.
     
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  15. nicklas_early

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    After tonight’s results every team in the conference has ensured themselves a .500 record or better. Interesting tidbit.

    Just posing the question because I value the opinions of our (mostly) intelligent forum: does it value the conference more to be .500 or better 1st - 10th or to have more of a traditional set of tiers (2 or 3 great teams, 3 to 4 average teams and the rest are below average to bad?)
     
  16. Albick

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    Also, no more than two teams can finish above .500 in league play.
     
  17. Albick

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    The way it looks to me (and I could certainly be wrong).
    1. If Butler loses Saturday, it finishes in a tie for 8th/9th/10th with Providence and DePaul (if DePaul loses) or in a tie for 9th/10th if DePaul wins.
    2. If Butler wins Saturday, it could finish as high as a tie for 4th with the loser of the St. John's/X game along with Creighton, Hall, Georgetown and DePaul. (This assumes that DePaul beats Creighton, Hall loses to Nova, and Georgetown loses to Marquette). In this scenario, Nova would end up 14-4; Marquette, 13-5; the St. John's/X winner, 9-9; Butler, Creighton, Hall, Georgetown, DePaul, and the St. John's/X loser, 8-10, and Providence, 6-12. Only 2 teams above .500, one at .500, and 7 teams below .500. If the NCAA tournament committee is looking for teams with a winning conference record, the Big East will be in trouble.

    In a 2-way tie in Scenario 1, Butler finishes 10th due to Providence's 2 wins over Butler. In a 3-way tie, Providence will be 2-0 against Butler and 1-1 against DePaul, and I think it takes 8th. Butler, at 2-0 over DePaul, gets 9th, and DePaul 10th.

    In a 6-way tie for 4th, here are the records among the teams:
    Butler against Creighton (1-1), Hall (1-1), Georgetown (1-1), DePaul (2-0), St. John's (1-1), X (1-1)
    Creighton against Butler (1-1), Hall (0-2), Georgetown (2-0), DePaul (1-1), St. John's (0-2), X (1-1)
    Hall against Butler (1-1), Creighton (2-0), Georgetown (1-1), DePaul (0-2), St. John's (1-1), X (1-1)
    Georgetown against Butler (1-1), Creighton (0-2), DePaul (1-1), Hall (1-1), St. John's (1-1), X (1-1)
    DePaul against Butler (0-2), Creighton (1-1), Hall (2-0), Georgetown (1-1), St. John's (2-0), X (1-1)
    St. John's against Butler (1-1), Creighton (2-0), DePaul (0-2), Hall (1-1), Georgetown (1-1), X (1-1)
    X against Butler (1-1), Creighton (1-1), Hall (0-2), Georgetown (1-1), DePaul (1-1), St. John's (1-1)
    (Interestingly, X has split with every one of those teams; Butler has split with all but DePaul)

    I'm not sure how the tiebreakers would go in a 6-way tie, but it certainly would be an interesting exercise for the bean counters at Big East headquarters.
     
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  18. Cranjis McBasketball

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    In a 6 way tie it’s essentially a round robin (mini record) for those involved. In the case above, Butler has the best record against those teams that it’s tied against (7-5) and would therefore be placed in 4th place. So basically we want DePaul and Butler to win on Saturday and you can book it for the Wednesday bye

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  19. Albick

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    Well, if the round robin applies, the results would be slightly different because I've included records above for both St. John's and X, but only the loser would be tied for 4th. The winner gets 3rd. It appears, though, that Butler still gets 4th if Butler and DePaul both win on Saturday.

    If St. John's wins, Butler is 6-4, Creighton is 5-5, Georgetown, 4-6; DePaul, 5-5; Hall, 5-5, and X, 5-5. Butler still gets 4th, Georgetown is 9th, and the other four are in a tiebreaker for 5-8.
    If X wins, Butler is 6-4, Creighton, 4-6, Hall, 5-5; Georgetown, 4-6; DePaul, 6-4; St. John's, 5-5. Butler ties with DePaul, but Butler has beaten DePaul twice, so Butler still gets 4th, DePaul is 5th, Hall and St. John's are in a tiebreaker for 6th and 7th (that opening game with the controversial ref's call sure is looking big there), Creighton is 8th and Georgetown 9th.

    It's amazing that the outcome of Butler's game and one other can mean the difference between Butler finishing 4th or last.
     
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