Oh we're like 1-9 against them maybe? It's pretty bad. Yep my bad 9-3 not sure where I added that last 1 from, even if you go to the lone A10 year we split 1-1 - had what I recall was a really good game in Hinkle too (butler had the Arkansas Grad transfer can't recall his name) think it was late feb and ended up being one of Brad's last games in Hinkle. Horrible season for X (missed NIT) but was full of "close games" that they could never punch in. Definitely going to be interesting to see how it plays out. Can't blame 2018 on steele though that was all Mack's doing. He followed up our best recruiting class ever with our worst in recent memory Holt man to OSU and archie to IU certainly hurt. I'm encouraged with Steele's efforts so far though. We'll see how it goes. This is where we differ though. You have this scrappy underdog mentality where you always want to overachieve. I'm fine with just hitting the mark- i'm not fine with hitting below status quo. If we hit our mark last year we were a 1 seed and theoretically one of the 4 best teams in the country = final 4. We didn't hit that which was obviously very disappointing. I'm fine with having a top 3 recruiting class and placing top 3 in the big east. I'm more than fine with the trajectory of our program. I can only hope we stay status quo. History shows we've gotten better with each coach. Not sure I can count on that this time (cycle must break at some point) but I'm encouraged none the less. lol if head to head doesn't matter I'm sure I won't see you in game threads next year and you won't care about the X Butler games at all....might as well just watch NCAA tournament if that's the only thing that counts! We underachieved in 2018 (1 seed) and 2016 (2 seed) 100%. Make it to the sweet 16 those years and that's not the narrative. Arguably overachieved in 2015 (6 seed to sweet 16) and 2017 (11 seed to elite 8). Average all that out and you're probably right back to what Hinkle said - average. My whole argument here- I've been a season ticketholder the last 4 years. If that's average then give it to me every single year....it includes a victory at every BE venue (outside pavillion), winning record at MSG, Big East outright championship, winning record in NCAA tournament, #2 all time scorer, 9-4 vs. Rivals,and countless memorable moments. I think a lot of teams would be more than happy with that average success. I'm not here trying to throw flames, Hinkle just made an interesting point, and I don't even disagree with it. I'm personally happy with it- we've raised expectations and continue to meet them for the most part. Would be nice to overachieve them, but I'm not dissatisfied with achieving.