Agree with everything you say, up until giving Jordan "the benefit of the doubt because he is relatively green." There are a whole lot of talented players on this team. Maybe not a single standout game change player like a Howard or a Mack or a Hayward, but pretty solid talent from top to bottom. Certainly enough talent to be in the top half of the Big East and a definitely a Tournament team, especially this year with no dominant teams. I was excited when Jordan was hired. Liked him as a player. Has done a lot of good things in his 20+ year career in basketball. Still like him as a Butler guy. But it is becoming more and more apparent he is in way over his head. I have been concerned for a long time with his competence, starting last season. He had a damn good roster last year and still grossly underachieved, struggled to a 21 - 14 record (14 LOSSES!), and was probably one loss away (luckily we beat Seton Hall in the BE tournament) from missing the show. Last year, easily a 25-win team with what he had to work with. (Think back, he made several glaring bad coaching decisions that actually cost us 2 or 3 losses. St. John's still hurts.) His poor head coaching skills have just been more amplified this year. Basketball is still a pretty simple game, even with the infusion of better athletes and the metrics and the wall-to-wall media attention. Wins and losses are still determined between the lines. Lot's of experience sitting on bench, too. Are the assistant coaches getting the opportunity to have any input on the product? It sure doesn't look like it. Butler 2018-2019 = Bad basketball. Appears to be Jordan's team. Period. When it fails, the losses....he blames on the players. No Toughness. No Leadership. Fatigue. Never an admission of poor strategy or preparation. Appears to be a little touch of arrogance with our coach. Not a bad thing at all and don't have a problem with it, if justified. Your statement of Jordan being "green" IMO is just another excuse for what appears to be his basic incompetence for a head coaching position at this level. How much time do you need to "absorb" the basic concepts of a pretty simple game and transfer them to a talented roster of players? What is obvious, the team(s) he is responsible for play bad basketball, make a ton of mental mistakes and grossly underachieve. We see no season-to-season, game-to-game or in-game progress or adjustments to correct the problems, to date. Looks like it is getting worse. Just how long does it take "green" to wear off, if ever?