Butler Bulldogs (18-6, 6-5 conf.) vs. Xavier (16-8, 5-6 conf.), February 12

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  1. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    General Discussion for the next game.

    At Hinkle Fieldhouse

    6:30 PM Eastern on (checks calendar this time) Wednesday night.

    On CBS SportsNet

    Two teams trending the opposite directions right now.

    Go Dawgs
     
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  2. Insane Dawg

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    Saw where Butler is now the sixth worst D1 school trending south.
     
  3. willisbrown

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    I wonder if we'll get Lappas again? So he can tell us how good butler is at guarding the 3 and how great we've been playing defense.

    This game frightens me. X is rolling. We is not. X is desperate, we've been fairly mediocre. I hope we can come out guns blazing (for the love of god, run sets for McD right away). Need a "Baddley" game, as in, need that performance he gave against Marquette a couple weeks ago. It was a one off, but it was needed. We need to be able to comfortably go 7 deep moving forward. Or eventually we'll whither and die.
     
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  4. MadDawg2020

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    Big bounce back win coming for the Dawgs on Wednesday night! Bryce brothers are going to have big games. No way McD has another rough offensive night. AT will get a little more aggressive and comfortable with time. Look out for the Dawgs to go on a win streak starting on Wednedsay!
     
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  5. dawgs2014

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    Butlers website has tv records going back to 2017. In 13 games on CBSSN we’ve lost 9 and one of our wins was non conference, so maybe we are cursed by games on that network.


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  6. Irishdawg

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    One team is playing with confidence, and unfortunately that team isn't Butler. They might win, but I won't be surprised if they continue their slide.
     
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  8. dawg767

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    Even though it's not how we play D, I think we need to extend the on-ball pressure because X can be turned over. They really don't have a PG now that Goodin has regressed so badly this year for some reason.

    Bigs will have to put their football gear on to deal with Tyrique: They will be sore Thursday morning.

    And agree with Willis that we finally need to start running more sets through McD (btw, Willis is the last person I would have guessed suggesting this 18 mos ago).

    KenPom has this as Butler -7 or 8, which I'm afraid is more than a little bit generous given the trajectories of these teams the last few weeks. . .
     
  9. willisbrown

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    It's very generous, in fact down right ridiculous. If that's how it plays out we are rolling deep with X. In fact I may pick them to flat out win the way we are playing.
     
  10. kmacker69

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    Come out be aggressive and set the tone of the game. If we let X push us around it's going to be a long night.
     
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  11. Insane Dawg

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    Actually it could be a short night for the Dawgs. Two things concern me most about this match up - Xavier’s determination and Jones’ determination.
     
  12. Hinkle

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    Per Torvik, using January data alone, Xavier ranked 81st. Using February data alone, they literally rank 1st.

    Butler was 6th overall through January 1st. From Jan 1 to present, they rank just 51st, and a miserable 89th through 3 February games.

    Which teams show up? Either team could route the other. They’re trending sharply in opposite directions, but it could be time for a reversion to their true level for each.




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  13. Red1972

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    A must win!
     
  14. Insane Dawg

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    To me it’s “who wants it most “will win.
     
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  15. bmradio99

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    I usually get super fired up for Xavier hate week, but this time I'm kinda not? It kinda feels like any other game.
    Is it because in general I'm pretty busy this week and not paying attention to basketball much? Is it because of X's early season performance, their fans have been generally/oddly pleasant? Certainly the opposite trends thing has me worried, as has the fact that Butler's perimeter defense is whiffing and X finally learned how to be an adequate 3 pt shooting team.
     
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  16. dawgs2014

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    I think there has to be some reversion at some point. We’re overdue in a number of areas. Just as we were never a 23% 3 point defense, were also not 42.5% as we have been since the Seton Hall game.

    Aaron Thompson also was one of the most statistically effective defenders in the country until he got hurt (seriously-opponents were 20/107 on jump shots against him), and has been getting lit up since he returned.

    I expect both of those to revert, though I could see Thompson taking more time until he recovers enough to regain his strength/full ability to be physical.


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  17. willisbrown

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    I'd guess as game time comes closer, you'll get the feelz but I'm with you. I want to be fired up as usual but, I'm just kinda meh right now about it. I think Sunday has something to do with it...as fired up as we were after Wednesday, we were just as let down by the performance on Sunday. A drubbing like that can really take it out of fandom.

    Also I agree with your second point and the point Hinkle was making earlier...these trends are kinda frightening. And they are coming to a head at the worst time. I wouldn't say I'm "scared" of tomorrow night, but I'm entering it with no confidence and no matter the line my coin is going on Xavier. One for jinx purposes, but two because they've been rolling and the season is catching up to us. Bad combo. I say that to say, hard to get too lit about the game when expecting a loss. At least for me.
     
  18. dawgs2014

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    I believe that we are much better than we’ve played recently, and much closer to what we saw in non conference. I don’t have a lot of conviction in that, however, because I haven’t seen anything that resembles that for quite a while.

    I just kind of have no clue about what to expect.


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  19. Sidd Finch

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    Just like many said Georgetown would wear down in BE play because they were going to be really short on bodies, it sure seems like the lack of production from the bench is catching up with us. We're not the same team we were in non-conference and the teams in the BE are, generally speaking, better than the teams we played in the non-conference. Bad combination. Not saying we're going to lose for sure (look how we played X last year at Hinkle), but it's a bad combination.
     
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  20. seadawg

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    BU effectively defended Howard although others were left open and responded by knocking down 3s. The first game it worked for the most part, not so much the 2nd time around. I'd expect BU to attempt to defend the post and LJ to make adjustments from there against X.
     
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