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Jared Grubbs

Butler Bulldogs (19-12) vs Seton Hall Pirates (21-10) - 3/8

Jared Grubbs, Mar 7, 2018

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  1. Tentozen

    Tentozen Well-Known Member

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    Held him to 4-13, which I believe two of were 12-15’ jumpers. They fronted much more aggressively, and contested everything much more than usual. Great job by both TW and NF.


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  2. burns

    burns Active Member

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    Exactly, we were really, really, really underrepresented compared to the teams you list above.

    As for MSG, I had fantastic tickets for $88 per seat, good for two games. I didn't think hat was ridiculous...they were good, first row section 113. Hotel (Courtyard Marriott) four blocks away was $111. I can understand that some folks detest NYC, it's not everyone's favorite, but I would think there are others who would really enjoy the experience...apparently X fans traveling from Cincy and Marquette fans traveling Milwaukee made it work. There were clearly a lot of groups who came up to make a "guys weekend" out of it.
     
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  3. bmradio99

    bmradio99 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    It's weird, and I feel bad being critical because I was on the fence about going this year and chose not to. (Considering the storm and the general lack of excitement I had after the last two regular season games, I'm kind of okay with that decision.) But it's very clear that Butler fans don't show up at MSG, and the Big East doesn't care about getting them there. They know their bread and butter who will travel and buy tickets. This just ain't one of those events, sadly. What's crazy is that the Thanksgiving tournaments always draw a disproportionately high number of Butler fans, IMO. Whenever I've been, I'm always shocked at how well our (comparatively small) alumni base travels for those. It feels like it might even be a NYC-area thing, too. Dawgs fans show up in DC and every opposing arena in the midwest, but not around there. Kinda sucks, and not good optics, but you can't *make* people go to a game.
     
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  4. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    Well the Thanksgiving tourneys you are guaranteed 3 games, BET win or go home and we hadn't won a game yet, plus we've been struggling so as a fan if I had to choose one BET or NCAA tourney that's an easy choice to make.
     
  5. burns

    burns Active Member

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    I had an almost identical experience. I was right behind the band. Other than the band and students around the band, I saw maybe 5 or so Butler hats / shirts while going for food / beer / bathroom, and then three Butler fans in the elevator at the hotel...major coincidence. The place was flooded with Villanova and Hall fans, Marquette was decently represented...compared to Butler. If this is going to stay the trend, BU will be at a MAJOR statistical disadvantage at the BET.
     
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  6. bmradio99

    bmradio99 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The guaranteed 3 games is totally spot on. Even a good feeling about seeing more than one would do. That was another reason I decided to skip this year; I didn't want to have another first-round exit and have to listen to Xavier fans for the rest of the trip. Funny how winning changes everything, right?
     
  7. kmacker69

    kmacker69 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    NYC is not to the taste of a lot of people... I had fun last year even though we lost to X, but had too many bills getting my boat set up for the upcoming season and had to choose between BET or NCAA's if they are east of the Mississippi... I had faith that they would get in, now just need them to be close enough to make the trip!
     
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  8. OldSchoolDawg1983

    OldSchoolDawg1983 Active Member VIP Member

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    Traveling fans are a share of the attendance, but isn't this as much or more related to NYC area alumni presence of BE teams? Along with Providence, Butler has by a large margin the smallest national alumni network of BE schools. And I speculate that our alumni presence in NYC is very small. Further, is it not more on Butler's shoulders, rather than the BE conference, to get Butler fans to MSG for the BET?
     
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  9. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    It's fairly easy for Nova and SH fans to go to NYC. I don't know it's just me but Id much rather go to Vegas, Bahsmas, Hawaii or Orlando for three games or first round NCAA anywhere over NYC and MSG.
     
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  10. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    I went to the Preseason NIT games back in 2006. There weren't any Butler fans there either. The Tennessee game there was basically no one from either side there, and then the Carolina fans took over the building for their game against Gonzaga late in the 2nd half of that one. Then when Butler played the Zags in the final, most of the folks that were there were rooting for Gonzaga.

    I personally am not going to tell fans how to spend their money. Tourney games and preseason tourney games are way more of an attraction to fans, and they should be. New York is a great city and MSG is cool and all, but if I had to make a choice, I'd pick the other 2 options 10/10 times.
     
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  11. burns

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    Absolutely, this is explains the preponderance of Villanova & Seton Hall fans. X is arguably explained by the fact that they have high odds of winning which offsets the long travel from Cincinnati. It DOES NOT explain Marquette and Creighton outnumbering Butler drastically, especially Marquette since they are such a low seed.

    Perhaps those who were there are not properly communicating exactly how pathetic it was. In an OCEAN of fans for other teams, I'm telling you that, at the game, I literally saw like 5-6 other BU fans.

    ETA: I understand NYC isn't for everyone, but some love it. All I am saying is, if we aren't supporting the team...almost at all..we can hardly complain if/when they get decimated in the BET. Glad it worked out last night.
     
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  12. bmradio99

    bmradio99 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Exactly - though I'm not sure how much smaller that Butler's NYC alumni base (700, according to the website) is than Xavier's (no information available on their terrible website) or Creighton's (no information available either), and those dweebs turn UP.

    *Based on Facebook communities, Butler NYC has more than Xavier, less than Creighton, but all are quite small.

    Anyway. I still think, as a whole (not just athletics) Butler is on the upswing in terms of engaged alumni. The passion is there. Tons of room to grow in numbers.

    EDIT: One caveat since everyone else keeps mentioning it. I love New York (cities in general) and think people who don't are crazy. But to each his/her own.
     
  13. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Was going to say this very same thing. I just thought I would read through the thread to make sure that I was not repeating somebody else. You are spot-on. Send me to Hawaii at Thanksgiving for 3 guaranteed games.

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  14. BHayden

    BHayden Well-Known Member

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    Usually the BET falls during Spring Break. This year it fell a week before spring break so during one of the busiest weeks of the school year. So no one taking any real classes could go, and there was no Dawg Pound trip this year. This probably led to an even smaller turnout than usual.


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  15. Hinkle

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    I mean, if the BET was held an hour from Butler's campus, and Seton Hall had gotten bounced in the first round 4 years in a row, I'd imagine it'd have been a Butler home game.

    I was at the BET last year and didn't think the turnout was bad at all, but it's easy to imagine it's worse this year given that we've not won as many games and had laid an egg in the BET several years in a row.
     
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  16. 740OHIOBulldog

    740OHIOBulldog Active Member

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    Seton Hall got up 7 late and went to the outhouse.. Lol geez. Glad the Dawgs pulled it out!
     
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  17. indienapolis

    indienapolis Active Member

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  18. tlp63

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    FWIW, I loved going to the Vegas tournament. Dawgs winning and casinos. Doesn't get any better than that!
     
  19. joliebeth23

    joliebeth23 Well-Known Member

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    Putting this guy on my desktop all day...
     
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  20. joliebeth23

    joliebeth23 Well-Known Member

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    For those of us in the West, a cross-country trip for a weekend is expensive. (Well, depending on your job and income, I suppose...) I've thought about booking a New York trip for the BE tourney the past two years, but as a teacher, I get very few personal days per year, and taking a chance on booking that expensive of a trip when the Dawgs may or may not even make it to the semifinals is a bit of a stretch, even though I love NYC and could certainly fill my time with theater and visiting friends. This year, since the second weekend of the NCAA tourney is the beginning of my spring break, I decided to wait and see if the Dawgs can make another Sweet 16 run, and then maybe I can travel.

    For whatever it's worth, I, of course, loved having the Dawgs in Vegas last season over Thanksgiving because our whole family got to go to both games and had a blast - no travel expenses necessary!
     
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