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Jared Grubbs

Butler Bulldogs (8-3) vs UC-Irvine Anteaters (11-2) - 12/21

Jared Grubbs, Dec 20, 2018

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  1. TheDawgDub95

    TheDawgDub95 Well-Known Member

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    Well, it sounds like our "offense" will get another good test. I don't think I need to say that it hasn't been good when teams have played us hard/well...

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  2. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    1. Sprain - I agree that he looked like he played with no concern in 2nd half. Didn't know if there was any news.

    2. Bigs - it was interesting that Pres. chose to not double Fowler but DID double Brunk. Totally changed their game plan based on who was in.

    3. Your wife has a birthday for 24 hours. You only need two for the game. Tell her to get food to go. Hahahahahaha (kidding...dont give me a hard time anyone).

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  3. NateDog

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    Almost hard to call this a trap game because of how good UC Irvine appears to be, but I'm gonna call it just that. Students gone, last game before the holidays, Florida up next, with the Big East schedule looming right after...

    Should be a very good game for the team. Have to throw the first punch AND prove we can close.
     
  4. I Am Butler

    I Am Butler Well-Known Member

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    This is just odd and I dont really think that's what Jared was debating. I believe he was saying it would be better to focus on his individual game rather than being available to the team at his current level of play. During the season, players dont lift and redefine their bodies the same way they do in the off-season, so if Golden knew he had zero chance of playing, he could really start working with Matthew Johnson hard and heavy.

    As for focusing on strengths and weaknesses, a player should focus on whatever will pay the greatest dividends. Whether that's a weakness or already a strength, I dont really care, but more often than not it's going to be a weakness because there is more room for significant gains.
     
  5. I Am Butler

    I Am Butler Well-Known Member

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    Brunk actually shoots it pretty well from out there in warmups, but I agree, keep his game down low. If he can just improve his balance when making post moves, he will take his game to a new level.
     
  6. willisbrown

    willisbrown Well-Known Member

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    They have a dude that banged ten...threes in a game and they beat st marys...so we better come out hard core. This won't be Presbyterian where we can sleep walk then come back. Good news they will prob take their conference so if we snatch the W, should stand as a solid non con win.
     
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  7. I Am Butler

    I Am Butler Well-Known Member

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    Max Hazard is 5'10 and had 17!! 3pt attempts that game. I'm quite positive Thompson and Baldwin wont stand for that.

    As a team, if you subtract the outlier game where they shot 35 3pts, this is a team that averages 17 attempts at a 34% rate.

    None of that is to minimize the difficulty UC Irvine could present Butler, just pointing out that Butler isn't going to get buried under a 3 point barrage.
     
  8. willisbrown

    willisbrown Well-Known Member

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    It'll be a three point Hazard.

    Sorry I had to. It'll be a challenge but yeah I don't expect Hiroshima from three tomorrow.
     
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  9. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    You’re right it’s not what his point was, but it did send me off on a tangent. What you said about paying dividends is true, but in a lot of cases a player’s weakness is their weakness because they just don’t have that much capacity for growth. Not all players have equal growth capability in all areas. If they’ve shown they have a strength, they’ve shown they’re uniquely adept at a skill.

    For example, Sean came to Butler as a good shooter, but nowhere near this good of a shooter. It would be great if Sean had a post game or more of a game off the bounce, but I think we’re all pretty satisfied with his improvement as a shooter, right?


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  10. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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  11. I Am Butler

    I Am Butler Well-Known Member

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    An ironic example, because I'd argue that Sean's biggest weaknesses coming into Butler were his strength/conditioning and defense. He was a one trick pony that needed to find a way fit on the other end of the floor. Sean busted his ass to improve both and has become a capable defender and a strong rebounder with an endless motor, which coincidentally also improves his 3pt shooting.

    Kam Woods came to Butler as a great rebounder and that was it. He left Butler an elite rebounder with a nice offensive game, to include a good mid range shot.

    Barlow and Nored were defensive specialists that added valuable outside shots, a path Thompson is following.

    In most cases of Butlers elite, their biggest factor for improvement came from erasing a weakness.
     
  12. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    I think Sean has worked hard and has become a better defender, but I’d argue his improvement is due to becoming a much more cerebral defender. He has gotten better at understanding how he gets attacked, using the baseline as a defender and has made modest strides in his lateral quickness. That being said, if we had this year’s Sean on defense, but Freshman year Sean on offense, I think we’re all calling for David to bury Sean on the bench.

    I think your examples are interesting because Kam and Rose got themselves pro careers by doing one thing really really well. Yes they expanded their games once they got there, but they did get there as one trick ponies.

    The two best scorers we’ve had in recent years I think probably make my best case. Kelan and Kellen both started as decent scorers that lacked diversity that weren’t great defenders or ballhandlers. They both improved their ball handling which allowed their scoring abilities to really shine (of course they improved those as well) but never made huge strides in defensive or playmaking ability. They both became some of our best players by getting really good at their strengths.


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  13. DawgFan

    DawgFan Active Member

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    From David Woods' article of today:

    "Coincidentally, Irvine was the first Division I victory for Jordan as a head coach. His Milwaukee team set a school record for fewest points allowed, beating Irvine 54-37 on Nov. 26, 2016, in a tournament in Sioux Falls, South Dakota."
     
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  14. I Am Butler

    I Am Butler Well-Known Member

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    Not sure where I said their strengths wouldn't always be their strengths, but their biggest gains came from removing weaknesses that made them a liability elsewhere. Keeps them on the floor and allows their strengths to play.
     
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  15. BUdawgsfan04

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    Free Jordan Tucker
     
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  16. BU_NeonHat

    BU_NeonHat Well-Known Member

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    Is he eligible yet?
     
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  17. BURph92

    BURph92 Well-Known Member

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    I think the coaches & players understand how good UCI is especially defensively and on the road. Butler May get beat tonight but it won’t be due to looking past them.


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  18. BUdawgsfan04

    BUdawgsfan04 Member

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    Butler 82
    UC Irvine 65
     
  19. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    Just my opinion, but I dont see LJ burning a redshirt year over UC-Irvine. If Nate can't go, we'll just play small and Brunk will have to stay out of foul trouble.
     
  20. CarmelDawg23

    CarmelDawg23 Well-Known Member

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    Irvine has 3 guys 6'9 or bigger that play at least 18 minutes a game, plus a 4th at 6'8 who plays about 15-16 a game. My guess is Fowler guts this one out unless his ankle is REALLY hindering him.
     

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