Yes. Height is really stupid. It’s just one of those old timey things that won’t die and it distorts player evaluation significantly. The relevant measurements are clavicle height and wingspan. Or even simpler would be to just post standing reach. I always think of Cody Zeller as a good example of the distortion. He is a legit 6-11 without shoes and - not kidding! - has one of the best standing verticals in the NBA. This would suggest he’d be a rebound and blocking machine. He’s not. Why? His wingspan is awful, and he has a lot of height between his clavicle and the top of his head. So his standing reach (and thus effective height) is truly like that of a lot of 6-7 NBA forwards. Gorgui Deng is an inch SHORTER than Zeller and has a standing reach 6 inches higher. Tony Snell is 5 inches shorter than Zeller and their standing reach is within a half inch of each other. To take an extreme example the other way: Rudy Gobert is just 1.5 inches taller than Zeller and has a standing vertical nearly an entire foot worse than Zeller. Yet he’s one of the best defenders and shot blockers in the league and Zeller couldn’t guard a chair. Why? Gobert’s reach is insane - 9 inches higher than Zeller. Zeller is a significantly better athlete than Gobert, but it doesn’t matter when you’re spotting him 9 inches. We can only speculate with Butler, but I would imagine some distortion examples may be that Kam Woods had an effective height more like 6-11 or 7-0, and Kamar probably more like 6-4 or even 6-5. I’d bet Dunham’s effective height was more like 6-2 or 6-3.