Conference Realignment

Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by BigHoss, Jul 1, 2022.

  1. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    Agree, I give exactly 2 sh$ts about college football, haven't watched more than 10 minutes in the past 5 years. It's boring, long, slow. I hate the product, the money and most of all most of the commentators are nails on the chalk board, the refereeing is comically bad and that's with replay. I hope all of it gets burned down

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  2. MSUDawg

    MSUDawg Well-Known Member

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    I would have thought the same thing, but the UCLA/USC move really changes the landscape everybody is now re-evaluating where they need to go. But a Gonzaga/Wichita add would be very logical, and probably be accretive to the TV contract value and bring in good competition.
     
  3. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Been thinking about how fortuitous it is at this moment in time that Thad has returned. Imagine trying to navigate NIL/conference realignment without a brand name successful coach that understands the current landscape but also understands Butler and what makes it unique. “accept reality” is one tenet of the Butler Way—Thad knows who Butler is and how we can be successful as BUTLER.


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  4. MadThatta

    MadThatta Active Member

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    Apparently you didn't know of the AD's meeting in Las Vegas last week...
     
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  5. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    If you're looking for a "basketball" school to change conferences, weirdly(?), beyond Notre Dame, UNC was Delaney's old #2 expansion pick. In my opinion, this quote isn't from UNC, but rather from Clemson, FSU, or Miami trying to join the $EC...
     
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  6. butlerguy03

    butlerguy03 Well-Known Member

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    It seems to be common sense that the BIG would add Washington, Oregon, Notre Dame, North Carolina, and Virginia. You then have four (almost) perfect pods - the only outlier in geography would be Nebraska going far west. If you replaced North Carolina/Virginia/Notre Dame with Stanford/Cal/Colorado, then it is even more geographically sound at 20.

    You play each opponent in your division 1x, 2 of each of the other division, getting you to 10 games in conference and 3 out of conference. Top 2 division winners in the playoff standings play for the championship. Perfect.

    I. HATE. COLLEGE. FOOTBALL.

    West
    Nebraska
    Oregon
    UCLA
    USC
    Washington

    Mid-West
    Illinois
    Iowa
    Minnesota
    Northwestern
    Notre Dame

    Mid-East
    Indiana
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Ohio State
    Purdue

    East
    Maryland
    North Carolina
    Penn State
    Rutgers
    Virginia
     
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  7. NCJon

    NCJon Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The issue with North Carolina going to the B1G in all these scenarios is seperating it from NC State.

    I know it has happened elsewhere when people said it couldn't (e.g. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State) but UNC and state are part of the same university system. They are codependent, not independent, of each other. State also has a lot of alumni in the NC legislature. I just don't see it happening and the B1G doesn't want NCSU.
     
  8. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User

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    UCLA separated themselves from Cal-Berkley pretty easily despite this.

    UNC isn't going to stick around in the ACC if they can help it, and NC State attaching themselves (if a law would actually have any teeth to it) would only end up hurting both schools, IMO.
     
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  9. PSUButlerFan

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    My God this would be amazing. Penn State’s division is comically bad. We’d win that every year.

    But this doesn’t work - you left out Wisconsin…
     
  10. NCJon

    NCJon Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Not a law so much as appropriations. UNC and State rely on more state support per student than the Cal system schools because our constitution requires tuition to be "free as practicable" and the legislature set hard limits on out-of-state students (no more than 12 percent for Chapel Hill UG). So revenue opportunitues are limited.

    When the legislature doesn't like policy decisions a campus makes, it slashes appropriations to bring the institution to heel. After a decade of cuts, Chapel Hill is very much under the legislature's political influence if not its direct authority. And State has better representation at the moment.
     
  11. Albick

    Albick Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    If, as you say, "revenue opportunities are limited," I'm curious as to why the legislature would not be delighted with one of the institutions tapping into a significant additional revenue source, even if the other didn't have the same opportunity.
     
  12. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    The B1G would def take Stanford. Cal-Berkeley is a more murkey situation
     
  13. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    (*kinda thinking out loud) So the Big XII would be
    1. Kansas
    2. Kansas St
    3. Iowa St
    4. WVU
    5. Oklahoma St
    6. TCU
    7. Texas Tech
    8. Baylor
    9. Cincinatti(?)
    10. BYU(?)
    11. Arizona
    12. ASU
    13. Colorado
    14. Oregon
    15. Utah
    16. Washington
    Is that correct? Who am I missing?
     
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  14. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    In this scenario, Notre Dame would have too many guaranteed crossover/rivalry games (Michigan, USC, MSU, kinda Purdue, and def Stanford assuming they're added). There would be hardly any schedule flexibility. Personally, I don't like the 4 pods idea. I think there should be 1 "pod" that would be the WC teams and keep the East & West divisions for a championship game.
     
  15. PSUButlerFan

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    Seems we’re going to a 4 super conferences system for football - Big Ten, SEC, Big 12, ACC. Looks like Pac 12 will die. 4 champs in a 4-team playoff. Other schools drop to something between FBS and FCS.
     
  16. butlerguy03

    butlerguy03 Well-Known Member

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    Well, ****. How can I leave out the cheese state?
     
  17. MSUDawg

    MSUDawg Well-Known Member

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    Just curious, do you think the IHCF would be a member of the NCAA ?
     
  18. butlerguy03

    butlerguy03 Well-Known Member

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    Probably Not.

    Regardless of what happens, the incredible foresight to make sure Butler made the difficult jump from Horizon to Big East in a very short period of time was invaluable. If our school had not made that jump, the Dawgs would be all but dead in the water in the next few years. At least being attached to the Big East, Butler has a chance of survival.
     
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  19. NCJon

    NCJon Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Here is former UNC Chancellor Holden Thorp, who was chancellor, i.e president, during the last big round of expansion, explaining it:

    https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-c...-early-2010s-former-chancellor-says/20362957/
     
  20. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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