Connor Turnbull - 2022 Center (Double Verbal)

Discussion in 'Current Butler Players' started by Lukas Harkins, Jun 14, 2021.

  1. DawgDude

    DawgDude Well-Known Member

    This is one of the head scratchers for me along with so many others topped by Hunter playing more minutes than any other player. Some think Turnbull is weak. Didn’t play weak. His defense outside of blocking shots and rebounding needs work but lord it wasn’t much worse than the All BIG defender. I hope and pray he stays. No one has as much upside as Turnbull.
  2. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

    Sure but this takes in no other factors and just continues to assume that as minutes increase points increase at the same prior(linear) rate. If this were the case, every low minute and 3 pt/g scorer just needs 27 mpg and they'll be good
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  3. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

    Not to mention he looked like he could pass out after about 4 trips up and down the court.
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  4. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

    Love his potential and think it’s just that at the moment—potential. Just not sure he was a huge game changer sitting the bench—remember the coaches see him in practice too. A summer of conditioning will help immensely along with workouts with his position coach.
  5. Ignatius J. Reilly

    Ignatius J. Reilly Well-Known Member

    If his fitness could improve I think he’s the guy I want backing up Manny next year, not Jalen. Conditioning is his biggest issue. Otherwise he’s a far superior shooter, screen setter, and shot blocker/alterer.

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  6. BU03

    BU03 Active Member

    Frankly I would love to see Conner at the 4 next to Manny. I think Conner is better at the 4 than the 5. But yes, he does need to spend a lot of time on strength and conditioning.
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  7. Albick

    Albick Well-Known Member VIP Member

    I agree with the math, PSU, but I'm not sure the math translates into anything reasonably achievable.

    The first assumption is that CT would play starting center for 27 minutes per game. Seeing his conditioning in the minutes that he played, there was nothing to suggest that he could play anything close to that amount of time at any level of efficiency. Maybe with more playing time his conditioning would have improved somewhat, but he was light years away from being able to play effectively for 27 minutes per game. I hope that changes for next season, but that certainly was the case this year.

    Secondly, if he were the starting center, we would have CT's 10.3 ppg replacing Manny's 11.8, which doesn't seem like a good trade-off. CT has an outside shot, which Manny does not, but Manny is better than CT in almost every other statistical category: rebounds, assists, steals, fewer turnovers. (CT is slightly better in blocks per minute, but, again, it's highly unlikely that would have been sustainable over heavier minutes.)

    You could argue that CT should have been Manny's backup rather than Jalen and/or should have started at the four instead of Jalen or Ali. CT was a better scorer and shot blocker than Jalen, but Jalen has CT beat in every other statistical category. And again, CT's conditioning was such a limiting factor this year that it is probably unrealistic to assume that he could have sustained his level of play over much heavier minutes.

    By the middle of the Big East season, you certainly could have suggested that the season was already lost so it would have been beneficial to give CT more game experience to get him ready for next year. I would have liked to have seen CT play a few more minutes in games later in the season, and I am very hopeful that, if he puts on some muscle and improves his conditioning for next season, he will be a key performer for us. But this year I don't think he was physically ready to play a much bigger role than he has.
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  8. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

    Yeah this is it. I would have liked to see him get more minutes but not because I feel like he was better than the guys who did play, he was just younger. He just physically wasn’t ready to give a whole lot, though I do think he’s got far more ability than guys like Thomas or Ali

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  9. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member


    Respect for the young Dawg.
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  10. DawgDude

    DawgDude Well-Known Member

    Panicked when I saw this post thinking Conner was transferring!
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  11. Michael John Jones

    Michael John Jones Member

    why panic

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