Discussion in 'Around the League' started by ConnersvilleBulldog, Sep 26, 2017.
I’d be surprised if the NCAA would levy much of a penalty.
The NCAA is a little between a rock and a hard place on NC State.
On the one hand, all of the bad actors have been gone for several years. And after reading the Notice of Allegations, it's clear the NCAA is focusing on those individuals. That would seem to indicate some show cause orders are likely and maybe not much else, like what happened at UConn.
On the other hand two of the allegations are very similar to what happened at the end of the Jim Valvano era and which brought his career to an end. State was given a post-season ban and two years of scholarship reductions then. The Committee on Infractions is supposed to take into account a school being a repeat offender - even when the offense was long ago.
I think at a minimum, Mark Gottfried and Orlando Early get show cause orders and State gets a couple years of scholarship reductions. But because of the Valvano-era violations, it wouldn't surprise me to see them get hammered.
And of course what ever happens with State is going to serve as precedent for the other 5+ schools that are going to get hit.
Woohoo a couple of scholarships
That, plus the show cause orders, is the floor not the ceiling.
Looks like DePaul’s coach has to miss the first 3 games of the year. DePaul is also on probation it says for 3 years
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Again the NCAA does nothing significant.
Let's face it, they are powerless. Even funnier how does their coach keep his job.
First 3 games for Leitao and forfeit some wins due to an ineligible player...
So the vacated wins takes them from tenth place to tenth place last year? Harsh.
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The vacated games will be the 25 that Levi Cook played in the 2016-17 season. Only six of those were wins and only two were Big East wins.
It won't affect last year's record, which was a marked improvement for DePaul, despite finishing in a three-way tie for eighth in the Big East.
Not sure where to put this. I talked to a guy last night who coached with one of the top club teams in Massachusetts (PM me if you want the club name) for a number of years. He shared some stories of things he saw in his time there. I know a lot of this has been well chronicled, but it was more concrete for me hearing it directly. He never participated rather simply informed the family of the consequences of the under the table dealings all the while understanding how conflicted the family could be given some of them had severe financial challenges.
Anyhow, one story was about Goodluck Okonoboh who ended up at UNLV. The cost to sign him was 100K and when the parents were visiting LV, they came back to the hotel room and there was 100K in casino chips on the bed. He mentioned another player that was 60K and it was all paid in Amex gift cards. Neither could ever be traced and it pained him because in both cases players ended up in situations that weren’t great for their development and it ultimately severely impacted their professional prospects.
Finally, he said rankings were bogus as teams paid off ESPN and other services to rank their players higher.
I normally don’t have a lot to share but thought some might find this interesting.
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Not surprising, boosters and coaches always find ways to be creative and will continue to do so.. You cannot trace casino chips or gift cards, money, cars, and houses
are much easier to track.
I’ve been told that UK boosters take players out to Keaneland. They throw $100 down on a race and then hand the kids the ticket.
Pretty crafty frankly...But wouldn’t you be suspicious if a 18 year old showed up to your window to cash a $100 exacta ticket?
Not if it's your friend's, wife's, best friend who is the teller and is a huge UK fan. Right?
NC State responded to the NOA today. It's almost comical. Their position to the NCAA is basically: You can't prove we paid the kid! (And that's probably true.) But if we did, we should only lose a scholarship for 2021-22, some recruiting privileges for 2019-20 and $5,000.
South Carolina's turn in the dock:
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