Federal documents detail NCAA violations

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  1. Mark Shelvin

    Mark Shelvin Well-Known Member

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  2. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    Notre Dame is involved?


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  3. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member

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    I thought they were listed only as having shared meals with the ASM agency? I understand that the yahoo guys only got to review part of the evidence, but there was nothing particularly damning in there about Jackson or Morris.
     
  4. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member

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    Not necessarily. The yahoo writers were able to view a number of documents that appear to be balance sheets and expense reports from certain ASM employees that detail cash advances and expenditures involving a number of recent collegiate players that are now playing professionally. None of what is presented in the yahoo article truly implicates any schools, as far as I can tell. Of course, that might change when people are able to view more of the collected evidence.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-...g-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html
     
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  5. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for linking the article, I’ll check that out today.


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  6. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    It'll be interesting to see if the NCAA sacks up going forward.
     
  7. ButlerHoopsFan

    ButlerHoopsFan Well-Known Member

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    Nova with a few guys in the report. Xavier and Seton hall listed as well. Sad to see
     
  8. MilkSteak

    MilkSteak Well-Known Member

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    Patton is on there too.

    EDIT: He and/or his family had meals with ASM. Technically against the rules but not as damning.
     
  9. ButlerHoopsFan

    ButlerHoopsFan Well-Known Member

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    His was only a meeting...I didnt see a money trail linked to him. Would a meeting and meal be illegal?
     
  10. kmacker69

    kmacker69 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Depends on who paid for the Dinner? This was just a peek and the hints are there that it's a lot bigger... Hate to see 3 BE teams on the list of player or parents taking money and one more with meetings... Doesn't smell very well that's for sure!
     
  11. xfan1989

    xfan1989 Well-Known Member

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    This is pretty wild- what do they do with current players? Some high profile names (sexton, bridges, Knox) on there that dramatically changes things in march.
     
  12. DawgsMD

    DawgsMD Forum Psychiatrist VIP Member

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    Unfortunately they won’t likely do anything this year - it’s the NCAA - given the article, a lot of this could have been done without the coaches knowing - so will the NCAA punish the schools they ended up going to or not? It should be interesting what repercussions the NCAA rolls out given their past ineptitude.

    The appropriate thing to do would be to suspend any current player that is associated with payments. Others may think that too harsh but even if parents did it without their sons knowing in some of the situations, suspending the player would serve as a fair deterrent from other parents thinking about it.


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  13. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    Like they said the winner of this year's Tournament very likely won't keep the title...
     
  14. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    Wow wow wow. A lot to digest here. Wasn't the whole strategy of ASM to pay these guys in high school/college so that they'd sign with the agency once they turned pro? If so, seems like it didn't really work based on the number of guys the story reported did not sign with ASM.

    I've got to think all the schools named are just going to plead ignorance, claiming this all happened by agents and players/family members facilitating their own relationships with no involvement from the schools. And hell, that could be true. We'll see how it holds up.
     
  15. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunate that Bridges name is listed on there only because his mom accepted a dinner with an agent valued at $400. Its not surprising because she always was focusing on the money when the kid wanted to stay in college. Not all these players are "guilty". Stinks that parents can be selfish or unaware what damage they can do with their kids. Should be interesting.
     
  16. Mark Shelvin

    Mark Shelvin Well-Known Member

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    Jackson and Morris were specifically listed as having meals/meetings with Andy Miller’s agency. Agents, AAU teams, shoe companies, and programs work in concert to funnel money and players to the teams that are receptive to their involvement. We have never been receptive to their involvement, which takes us off the list of many players. It is telling to me that Morris and Jackson are on this list, whether Notre Dame or Iowa State had any involvement or not.


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  17. ConnersvilleBulldog

    ConnersvilleBulldog Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    You'd think the bare minimum would be athletes who took impermissible benefits would be ineligible, right? I mean, if not, then what's the point of having a rule about impermissible benefits?
     
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  18. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of whether the coaches knew, aren’t wins involving an ineligible player often vacated?


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  19. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    Also, sort of makes it clear why we never even got involved - let alone landed - the top 50-75 players. Hint: it’s not practice facilities.


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  20. Mark Shelvin

    Mark Shelvin Well-Known Member

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    The practice facility matters in an indirect way... you get a bigger check cut from Nike/Addidas/Under Armour, it makes the donations necessary to build one much more manageable.


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