Federal documents detail NCAA violations

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  1. MSUDawg

    MSUDawg Well-Known Member

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    There were 3,452 people at the Canton (OH) game last Saturday - where Rosie is playing starters minutes, he had 8 points that night.
     
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  2. troggy

    troggy Well-Known Member

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    I've never been to one in person. I've watched a few on TV. I can't imagine there's a lot of value in the TV package.
     
  3. troggy

    troggy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, this is exactly it. There's currently no NBA option the first year out of high school, so that's out. That leaves overseas or the G-League as viable professional options for that year. Not many guys currently go that route, despite college athletics not paying a salary. Not many guys, who aren't NBA caliber, leave college early to play overseas, even after their freshman year. Those are always options for anyone wanting to go pro.
     
  4. tlp63

    tlp63 Active Member

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    Here are some of my concerns with paying players:
    Are we talking about a stipend given equally to all players on the roster or a graduated scale somehow tied to scoring, playing time, starting, etc.?
    If there is the possibility of sponsorship or commercials, wouldn't the student need an agent to negotiate the details? They are, after all, pretty busy with classes, travel, games, and a personal life. Would said sponsorship have to be set by a certain date or could the sponsor wait to see if the player is "worth" it?
    My biggest concern, unless all receive the same amount, is the cohesiveness of the team. Would some jealousy affect team members who struggle more financially?
     
  5. troggy

    troggy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, for an extreme example, think about Trae Young. I don't think a lot of people knew about him before this year and look at all of the discussion about him on TV and sports radio. Playing in college has improved his NBA draft stock and his future potential for endorsements/merchandising.

    Would we even know who Trae Young is, if he had spent this year overseas or in the G-League? Even if we did, college has afforded him an entirely different level of publicity and fame.
     
  6. ButlerAlumDad716

    ButlerAlumDad716 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    What would we as members of a BU Forum have to say (write) if BU was still in the "H" league in a traditional 1 bid conference? Divide College Sports into PRO and AM conferences? Give up sports altogether? Even today with the NCAA revenue model, I'd hate to try and figure out a salary cap for athletic-students.
     
  7. Jared Grubbs

    Jared Grubbs Administrator Staff Member VIP Member

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    I'd say there is 0% chance the NCAA actually pays the players anytime soon. For starters there is no reason for them to spend that money. If this were a corporation and 99+% of the employees you wanted to hire came to work for you why would you decide to increase pay/benefits for them? They already want to work for you. Second, paying the players classifies them as employees, which opens up an entirely different set of problems. The NCAA doesn't want this.

    What may happen is opening up the athletes to sponsorship opportunities or things of that nature. The NCAA doesn't have to pay for this. There are certainly issues that come into play here as well, but I think there is an argument that it's better than what we have now. Yes, it creates an imbalance where schools with rich boosters can get better players, and schools would still probably funnel money to players through boosters. But at least its a little more out in the open and everyone knows what is going on and we don't have to pretend it doesn't exist.
     
  8. ButlerAlumDad716

    ButlerAlumDad716 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Should the NCAA have an immediate rule change allowing coaches to talk to players from schools that have drawn sanctions rather than players having to first announce transfer desires? Maybe not during the season though time frames can one established. Take Louisville, I know there are players who want to opt out though the NCAA sit & no play rule keeps them bound. Why not create something like the automotive "Lemon Law"?
     
  9. troggy

    troggy Well-Known Member

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    I think the players should always have to announce first.

    Also, any player for a school that faces sanctions should be able to transfer out without having to sit a year. I would hope the NCAA would always agree with that.
     
  10. ButlerAlumDad716

    ButlerAlumDad716 Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    What happens when BU has a Nike contract and a player has an Adidas contract? Here's something ludicrous, take the pro golf concept and have players sell space on their jerseys, warm-ups, etc. If the golf concept is followed it could even stop players from fouling out as they get paid for camera views and they'll get more views on the floor then on the bench.
     
  11. pjohnsto2003

    pjohnsto2003 Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking the same thing this morning. Go a step further - by paying the kids, who are already getting the benefit of a fully-paid scholarship and little to no debt after school, you are putting rmphasis that the sports have a higher significance than the purpose of the financial institution itself.

    It would be like paying the next boy/girl wonder in science or engineering for the potential windfalls that they can bring to the university/economy. That obviously does not happen.

    Keep the playing field level. Lots of kids go right into the workforce out of college. Let the leagues open that back up again. College isn’t for everyone, but don’t penalize the kids that want to prioritize the academics along with the athletics by letting the schools with deeper pockets dictate the landscape of the environment.


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  12. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    Agree, if the kids want to get paid then go to the G-League or Europe. I wouldn't anticipate any of the schools or NCAA leadership would be in favor of paying kids. They're getting a free education, training facilities, room & board, etc.

    There's too much annual TV money involved for the adults to not be greedy over it.
     
  13. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    Aren't you describing Kentucky, UCLA and North Carolina insourcing first paragraph? Aren't those really unaffiliated minor league programs for the NBA much like Alabama is in football for the NFL?
     
  14. Daddysmack

    Daddysmack Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Here is my idea that I have had for a while that makes complete sense to me. Allow player to sign with agents just like baseball and hockey. Players should be allowed to make money off of their likeness. Basically like signings or appearances just like a baseball player would after winning the WS. However, as long as they are an "Amateur ", that money goes into a type of trust that can be accessed after they leave the Amateur college sport.

    This way they can still profit at possibly their peak of their likeness yet no one is driving around in a Ferrari and they are not employees of the institution.
     
  15. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    No way the NCAA would allow players to receive endorsements. The member institutions are contending for those same dollars. If Sandman Brothers was paying Kelan Martin for endorsements, that’s less $$ for Butler athletics.

    This whole paying players thing just goes against the grain of every thing right and good about the student-athlete ideal. Why are we willing to give up on this ideal because some involved are corrupted? Maintain a high standard and severely punish those who don’t comply.


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  16. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I think this is the main issue. The penalty for not complying is not strong enough to deter the behavior. And I don't know what deterrent would be severe enough. Those that want to skirt the standards and hope they don't get caught will always exist.
     
  17. godogs91

    godogs91 Well-Known Member

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    The death penalty, for the school as well as the coach, would be an effective deterrent. If you can't play right with the toys you have, your toys can be taken away. Maybe for a while. Maybe forever.
     
  18. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    I don't disagree that there IS a penalty. But it hasn't been enforced to act as a deterrent to this behavior.
     
  19. FRENCH DAWG

    FRENCH DAWG Well-Known Member

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    Depending how everything turns out with the scandals and FBI investigations, Butler could be looking for another head coach next year because some high-quality programs will be looking to (1) replace their head coaches who were fired for infractions and (2) upgrade their culture. Sounds like a job for a Butler man and the Butler Way.


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  20. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    Not saying it couldn't happen, but don't see Lavall leaving anytime in the next couple of years, I believe he said he wants to stay there at least through his daughters graduating through high school which isn't imminent . But again anything can happen
     
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