First NET Rankings Released

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  1. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    The first public batch of the NCAA's NET rankings were released today.

    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

    Big East breakdown:

    #29 St. John's
    #36 Creighton
    #38 Villanova
    #45 Butler
    #76 Georgetown
    #78 DePaul
    #85 Seton Hall
    #99 Marquette
    #101 Xavier
    #115 Providence

    Some nonconference teams of interest: #34 IU, #69 Dayton, #80 Florida, #93 Ole Miss

    Oh, also, our old friend at that state school to the east of us is #1 somehow. Also, Nebraska is #14 and apparently was #1 in an initial version that the NCAA didn't publicize (I'm assuming that based on the "Previous" column in the rankings list).
     
  2. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    What a horrible way to measure teams...Loyola Mmnt, San Francisco, Radford, Georgia Southern just a few of the names quite a ways ahead of us...
     
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  3. Hinkle

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    College basketball fans: “Nothing could POSSIBLY be worse than the RPI!!”

    Net rankings: “Hold my beer.”


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  4. Irishdawg

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    I'm willing to wait until later in the season to determine if these rankings are crap, but upon first glance, yeah, they aren't great. Clearly road wins are valued, but there needs to be some additional transparency so someone can at least try and duplicate the process of how they're ranking these teams.
     
  5. Jared Grubbs

    Jared Grubbs Administrator Staff Member

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    I thought this was awful at first, but upon reviewing some more established ratings that are based solely on this season with no preseason impact I am withdrawing my criticism. For example, ESPN’s SOR ranking has LMU 11th, almost identical to NET. I still think I’m going to hate some aspects of this rating, but the teams aren’t well connected yet for these to be meaningful at all. The big mistake here was even putting them out in the first place. KenPom doesn’t remove his preseason data until January for a reason.


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  6. godogs91

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    One of the things I read yesterday was that the efficiency ratings that the NET used did not count for the strength of the opponent. If so, that makes zero sense. Couple that with the cap on MOV at 10 points, and teams like Duke get minimized credit for the poundings they give to a quality opponent.
     
  7. Ster8462

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    Well I don’t know about this new ranking system but real time rpi has Butler at #108 with a loss to Florida and a 4-2 record. Could have sworn we won that game. I guess everyone is human and can make an error
     
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  8. MSUDawg

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    FWIW Kenpom has BU at #26 this morning and Team rankings has at #23, IMHO the two best measures available, but just pick one you like and argue violently in its defense...
     
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  9. ButlerNut

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    I see what you did there! ;)
     
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  10. Jared Grubbs

    Jared Grubbs Administrator Staff Member

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    Yes, it has a ton of flaws. We know some of the components, but we don’t know the exact formula. There are 5 components and only 4 of them account for how strong the opponent is, which is crazy. It uses efficiency and margin of victory (capped at 10), which is dumb because it’s redundant . It uses winning percentage and adjusted winning percentage, which is also redundant.

    The NCAA probably has a poor formula relative to what’s available. They certainly have botched it’s release about as bad as they possibly could. It amazes me that such a massive organization can make such poor PR decisions time and time again.


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  11. fchd

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    And on Day 2, Butler is up 5 places to number 40.
     
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  12. znelson15

    znelson15 Active Member

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    For me it has always been we are in the big east now and if we get to twenty wins we will make the tournament

    This net ranking will even itself out but still I think the committee looks at total wins as well as who the program is
    Butler has a name for itself now especially when it comes to tourney time (It’s called the Syracuse rule) except butler actually earns it
     
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  13. fchd

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    I'm not going to do this every day, but for the Day 3 rankings, Butler now appear up another six places at No. 34. At this rate, top 10 by Christmas and No. 1 by Selection Sunday!

    The places "gained" include vaulting over both Villanova and Indiana, but the Bulldogs themselves have been vaulted by Creighton.

    St Johns are still top Big East team at 18 (up from 32), Ohio State regain the top spot that they lost to Texas Tech for a day, Xavier down to 91.
     
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  14. Baddog

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    Would never have thought I would ever say this but here could be something even worse than the RPI rankings. Instead of administrators and celebs (at times) why not get people on the committee who have been around basketball for years and years and let them pick the top 68 teams based on their experience and what their eyes are telling them. They can't even do this?? It ain't brain surgery. Would bet there would be far fewer teams who feel slighted using that methodolgy than using these ridiculous rankings. And the seedings might even be more in line to what they should be. If a head coach farts, does that negatively effect the team's daily NET ranking?
     
  15. fchd

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    Just couldn't resist looking one more time. This "not playing any games" strategy is doing Butler huge favours in this ranking. 45, 40, 34, now 29! Pitt have jumped the Bulldogs, but Notre Dame, Purdue, Houston (dropped from 17-34 and still undefeated), Oregon, Virginia Tech & Creighton have all been leapfrogged.

    Ohio State understandably drop from No. 1, all the way to 13, so it is Virginia's turn to be top of the rankings today.
     
  16. Insane Dawg

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    Creighton beat Clemson and they dropped?
     
  17. troggy

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    I don't really think you can take a whole lot from these rankings until about mid December. That goes for any rankings, really.

    You're always going to get anomalies early, like Loyola-Marymount (who is pretty good, by the way). Radford also had some big road win. Things will get settled in and we'll see if this system is worth anything.
     

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