Gordon Hayward - Boston Celtics

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  1. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    Hayward is officially opting out becoming an unrestricted free agent. Celtics or Heat


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  2. Mark Shelvin

    Mark Shelvin Well-Known Member

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    This is also a fair description of the entire west coast south of San Francisco.


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  3. DawgFan14

    DawgFan14 Active Member

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    He was going to opt out regardless
     
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  4. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member

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    Told you guys/gals not to underestimate Riley/Spo/Miami.
     
  5. DawgFan14

    DawgFan14 Active Member

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    I still don't understand why he would go to the Heat. Not sure Spoelstra is a better coach than Snyder, he has the keys to the Jazz's franchise and they committed to building around him, and he'll win less with the Heat than Celtics/Jazz. Must be lifestyle, because I don't see the Heat being better. Unless Riley is playing a gigantic role.
     
  6. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    I spent 2.5 weeks in Miami my freshman year for the Orange Bowl. Absolute dump. What on earth is the allure? Lifestyle?! It's not like he's single... I seriously do not get it...
     
  7. BulldogsAllTheWay

    BulldogsAllTheWay Well-Known Member

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    I've been to Miami a couple times and I concur. I don't understand it either.
     
  8. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member

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    Snyder is certainly promising, but I think most in NBA circles would agree that Spoelstra is the better coach. He's four years younger, has been a head coach in the NBA for nearly 10 years, and has valuable experience managing the outsized personalities of NBA superstars. But, most importantly, he has two championship rings (as a head coach), which most NBA free agents covet above all else.

    Hayward will be the feature player in the Heat's system. While he seemingly would "have the keys to the Jazz's franchise," that doesn't always translate to being the focal point of the offense (https://theringer.com/while-you-werent-looking-gordon-hayward-became-amazing-abb2d361c744). Both the Heat and Jazz will obviously build the best roster they can muster around him and it goes without saying that Miami will be better equipped to do so, both from a professional and "lifestyle" standpoint.

    I'm not so sure he wins less with the Heat. The Eastern Conference is now a wasteland and offers a less treacherous path to the finals. I realize Boston is also in the East, but they have a number of key pieces on budget contracts (Bradley, Thomas, and Smart make <20 million dollars combined) that will be due big paydays next year. Will they pony up and pay all of them? They also have a plethora of assets but Danny Ainge doesn't appear willing to flip those for proven stars, so are the Celtics really building to win now? The Jazz are in somewhat of a similar position in terms of contracts with Favors, Johnson (though he's old and could perhaps be re-upped for even cheaper), Hood, and Exum all due bigger contracts next offseason. Also, they've already had some roster turnover; George Hill, their second leading scorer last season, is gone, as is Trey Lyles. Ricky Rubio is a solid point guard but has a well-defined ceiling. Remember that the Heat finished the second half of the season at 30-11 and did so without Justise Winslow (for better or worse) and Chris Bosh. And we haven't even talked about the meat grinder that is the West, which is somehow going to be even better with Jimmy Butler and Paul George/Millsap jumping conferences.

    Miami is a cosmopolitan city with beautiful weather year-round and cultural amenities matched by only a handful of US cities. I'm sure it is an even better place to live with 100+ million dollars. I've enjoyed my visits there and am planning to go back in December for Art Basel.

    When considering lifestyle, if the first thing that comes to your mind is chasing women then your intellectual development was stunted at age 17.
     
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  9. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    Spoelstra is absolutely a better coach than Snyder.
     
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  10. knobcreekfan

    knobcreekfan Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget the state apportionment rules that will apply to his traveling "duty days". Yes, no income tax in your home state is better than tax in your home state. But he will still have to pay when they are on road games.


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  11. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    Right or wrong, if you're a single athlete in your mid-20s with - literally - 100 million dollars in your accounts, "cultural amenities" and Art Basel means precisely nothing relative to "chasing women." I think that's all he's saying. Doesn't take a 17 yo mind for that to be the case, either.
     
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  12. MSUDawg

    MSUDawg Well-Known Member

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    Not sure how much this has to do with basketball, but I lived in Miami Beach off and on for 15 years until 2013, and its a World Class city - if you have money. For $5-10 million you can buy an exclusive estate on Palm Island about 10 minutes from AA arena. Live with the world's rich and famous and be 15 minutes from the best restaurants and beaches in South Florida. The weather is beyond great, and the cultural amenities of life are 2nd only to New York and maybe Boston. So does that matter if you are on the road 30% of your life? Not sure - but whoever said you would have a happy wife is spot on.
     
  13. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    The only reason Spoelstra has 2 NBA rings is because Lebron decided to team up with Bosh and Wade and play there for a few years before moving back to Cleveland, before he moves on to his next location, continually chasing the ghost that is Michael Jordan. Steve Kerr has 2 rings and wouldn't have even had to coach his team to win the title this year. This isn't making light of his health situation which is awful, but the NBA is a player's league now more than ever, so all you really need to be a championship coach is the ability to stroke a few egos and be a competent coach. Spoelstra is that, but regardless of how much Riley is stroking his ego now, when push comes to shove, he'll never be the focal point in Miami as Dwayne Wade found out.

    If you consider temps that feel in excess of 100 degrees beautiful weather (as they are now), then good for you, but he can get that pretty much anywhere during the offseason. The things you can't get in Utah or Boston are the weather during the winter, no state income tax, the club scene, the crime, and the nude beaches. The one thing you get in Boston and Salt Lake City that you can't get in Miami are loyal fans who live and die with the team rather than live and die with looking trendy. But I'm also not a 20 something year-old millionaire.
     
  14. fdr

    fdr Well-Known Member

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    But we aren't talking about a single athlete in [his] mid-20s. And where did that even get mentioned? Everything that has been discussed thus far has been either relative to Gordon Hayward or a particular city. "Lifestyle" appeals to everyone, and involves far more than just the opportunities to hook up with others, and I think NBA players are well-equipped in that realm anyhow, regardless of location. That's my point.
     
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  15. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    I took the condescending tone in your original reply as an insinuation that it wasn't important or something that is/should be considered by the average ultra-rich professional athelete (and the average ultra-rich professional athelete is in their 20s and single). It is important - that's reality - and there's nothing wrong with that. That's my point.



    Unrelated, I'll join the "hate Miami" camp. I also don't get it. Each time I've gone (admittedly only a few times), I've regretted it. If you're drawn by the culture, go to NYC/Chicago/SF/lots of other cities and you'll get more culture and less suck. If it's weather/beaches that are drawing you in, go to San Diego/LA/USVI/Caymans - better beaches, less suck.
     
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  16. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    The weather/lifestyle is more for his family (idk if his wife was in the pitch meeting). The weather indoors when you're playing basketball or video games is pretty much universally the same...
    My money was on Boston until I got so mad I couldn't talk and wanted to punch Kevin Pritchard for ****ing up the Paul George trade...
     
  17. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    I dunno... BYU literally tossed a kid off the team for having sex. Of course, their loss was Butler's gain...
     
  18. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    And my point was simply the Miami lifestyle sucks. A bunch of pretentious rich douches trying to dress trendy in 100-degree weather. No thanks.

    Someone else mentioned beautiful women as a selling point, so my point was that Hayward isn't single so that shouldn't matter to him.

    If you want culture, I work on Park and 40th in Midtown Manhattan right next to Grand Central. Plus NY fans actually care about their teams... Miami... look at their football and baseball attendance.
     
  19. Mark Shelvin

    Mark Shelvin Well-Known Member

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    Miami itself sucks, but nobody with money lives there. If you are single you live near Miami Beach. If you are raising a family (Gordon), you normally live near North Miami Beach or Coral Gables to the South. It would be like a player hear trying to live in downtown Indy 15 years ago... you either lived in Meridian Hills or you moved to the burbs.


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  20. MSUDawg

    MSUDawg Well-Known Member

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    Gordon has picked Boston.
     

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