Holtmann Telling Recruits OSU "Better Opportunity"

Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by Jared Grubbs, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. Red1972

    Red1972 Well-Known Member

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    What is it with Holtmann and Co.? I get it, he has to come through with that big contract and all of the perks he and his staff have gotten, or be is gone in four or
    five years. The fact that he and his staff continue to bash Butler and their perceived shortcoming is mind boggling, after all Butler gave him a chance. I felt bad when
    Collier, Matta, Lickliter, and Stevens left, but they continued to be friends of the program, with Collier coming back as a successful AD. Holtmann is different, as a friend
    said he always had is eye on the next job, if not OSU it would have been someplace else next year. I for one am glad he is gone and hope he falls flat on his face, call me
    vindictive, but that's what it is.
     
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  2. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    We need to hire the right staff who can recruit Big East quality players and PAY THE STAFF. Kyle Young had no problem with the facilities or dorms until Holt left. Brunk, Baldwin & David had no problem signing either.

    Create a strategy to compensate high potential coaches comparably to what a college "football school" can pay them. Honestly, this should have already been considered as a threat in the master plan to use basketball as the university's branding vehicle.

    We can't compete with Brad leaving for the NBA. But after all these years of watching good coaches come and go, I'm frustrated & tired of the excuse we can't pay what a "football school" pays. Figure it out already Barry.
     
  3. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    I agree. Let's sell beer to the public during the games. Surely the revenue during the season will pay for the staff to stay.


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  4. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member

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    Not as large of a revenue producer as some might think. Profit averages out to about $2 a beer. I agree that not selling beer is "old school" thinking at college campuses but the negatives from groups like MADD need to be factored in, along with college binge drinking problem. For all the positives there are a fair amount of negatives.
     
  5. gmoser1210

    gmoser1210 Active Member

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    Is $2 per beer enough to cover the required licensing, increased security, higher insurance premiums, increased janitorial issues, etc.? How much would it change the atmosphere for the better? Has the increase in ticket prices already diminished the family-friendly atmosphere to the point that we might as well serve beer?
     
  6. SpartanDawgs

    SpartanDawgs Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't being completely serious but all good points! Seems to help Creighton


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  7. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member

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    In fairness Creighton's arena, although close, is off campus.
     
  8. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    Are you figuring in the substantially more valuable concessionaire contract?


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  9. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member

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    Not really. I read a detailed story a while back with colleges starting to sell beer at games. We have limited seating at Hinkle. I'll try to locate the story and post. As I recall it was a food and beverage story which had several case studies. It dealt with many issues besides merely revenue. " "Beer and wines sales at college basketball games" by Greg Gaskins. Kristi Doss of Forbes has story, "Adding alcohol a growing trend at college sporting events" with some relevant facts too.
     
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  10. pjohnsto2003

    pjohnsto2003 Well-Known Member

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    Butler is still one of two wet campuses in the state (other being ND), right? Proximity should not have a bearing.


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  11. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member

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    I think ND has a bar by the football stadium. Not sure the schools share in profits? One could make a case that BU's attendance may rise with beer sales.
     
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  12. BUBBALUM

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    Legends
     
  13. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    Legends is owned by the school, so they get 100% of those profits.
     
  14. Red1972

    Red1972 Well-Known Member

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    Wht does this thread have to do with anything? Put it to bed!
     
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  15. Hinkle

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    I always wanted to come back to this once the forms had been filed for the 2016-2017 fiscal year. I have no idea when they were finally published, but I looked it up today.

    Indeed, the 1.2mm/year number that was tweeted by a few media sources when Holt was in the midst of leaving was 100% inaccurate, and I maintain that it very well could've been a lie floated out there by Holt's agent. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/350867977/201831009349300713/IRS990

    For the fiscal year ending May 2017, or the year prior to Holt's departure, he made 1.75 million. Keep in mind, he got a raise following the 2017 season, so his go-forward salary was quite likely to be above 2 million.

    I know it doesn't matter now, and it ultimately didn't really matter then either, but it frustrated me that people wrote that Butler was paying this guy around a million a year for the reasons I mentioned above.
     
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  16. Sidd Finch

    Sidd Finch Well-Known Member

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    I know what you're saying. Made BU look small-time.

    Man, you are persistent!!!
     
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  17. firedupkaren

    firedupkaren Well-Known Member

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    Not surprised at all. Dude was out there trying to get a raise every off-season. He had one foot out the door the second he took over.
     
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  18. BulldogsAllTheWay

    BulldogsAllTheWay Well-Known Member

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    Yup Holtmann is scum to me. Then he played victim when Butler fans rightfully hated his guts.


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  19. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    To be clear: by itself, doing what you can do to get more money doesn't make anyone a bad person. But I also don't have to like it if you're doing it at my/our expense, and I'm certainly not going to get behind being misled by anybody. And between the mysterious false leak on salary, the "Team 120" tweet, and all the musings about how wonderful he thought BU was - right after completely raiding the program with talent/coaches/etc. - it was awfully hard to feel like we were never misled. And that's the bullsh*t.
     
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  20. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but doesn't Bolt make like $7 million per year right now - is anyone realistically going to turn that down? His wife probably slapped him the first time O$U called and he said no.
     

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