Injuries/Training

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  1. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    This explains SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH!
     
  2. estar20dawg

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    The higher rate of injuries to these kids these days can easily be attributed to overspecialization to one sport at an earlier age, so no cross training on muscles to know how to react to different movements as well as not enough built in rest in a calendar year to let the body mend.
     
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  3. PSUButlerFan

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    Is there anything backing this up?

    It’s a really interesting perspective. Had never really heard of it. So not challenging you in any way other than I’m curious to learn more and to look at what data you might have seen on this. Logically it makes sense, so I’m intrigued.
     
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  4. BUcheer

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    That all makes sense, but wouldn’t the strength and medical trainers understand this as well?
     
  5. dawgs2014

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    Of course, and it should be prevalent in other programs as well. I think we have basically just been the victims of some fluke stuff.




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  6. estar20dawg

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    There's ton of scientific data. We had an entire semester in my masters in it...

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190923111609.htm

    https://www.empiresportspt.com/single-post/The-Case-for-Sport-Diversification-Over-Specialization

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259455884_Overuse_Injuries_and_Burnout_in_Youth_Sports

    And this was from awhile back from the ESPN actually not a bad article

    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27125793/these-kids-ticking-bombs-threat-youth-basketball

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  7. jkcdawgs

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    I know that Coach Johnson doesn’t have the team do “specialized training” for all of the reasons @estar20dawg mentioned.

    With that said, Butler has to get this figured out. Can’t be having this many injuries and extended timelines.
     
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  8. PSUButlerFan

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  9. jkcdawgs

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    Wtf is going on? Usually not one to call for jobs, but it’s time to do a deep-dive on the state of Butler’s training staff. Strength and conditioning, trainer, nutritionist, all of em.

    Off the top of my head, lower leg injuries: Hastings, Coles, Harris, Scooby, Thompson, David, Donovan, Bryce bros (both w/ ankles in pre-season).
     
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  10. willisbrown

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    And if I remember correctly (I had turned the game off but thought I heard rumblings) Golden hurt an ankle again last night? Maybe I heard wrong but, your point remains. There is something going on where we can't even keep enough players to practice healthy. We are a Big East basketball team. That's kind of a big deal. Yet, we have a worse medical/training staff than most high schools. It's ridiculous and it needs a reset.
     
  11. GoodDawgs

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    Bryce got stepped on. Shame on Ralph and MJ for not having the clairvoyance to preemptively run on the court and thwart the collision before he got hurt. (Already regretting responding to such an insanely uninformed thread.)
     
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  12. jkcdawgs

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    We’ve had 6+ lengthy knee injuries in the last two seasons. Sorry for bringing it up, you’re right. We should just blindly support the program and never question anything.
     
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  13. willisbrown

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    It's such a company yes man jellyfish attitude that too many have around here. This is a problem. A huge problem. This doesn't happen in bulk to other high major programs. Everyone has injuries. No one has them like we do. Questions need to be answered.

    Or we just sit back and finish bottom couple in the league year in and year out.
     
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  14. dawgs2014

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    Remember when we saw AT go down at Nova and everyone thought for sure he tore his ACL? What would you like the trainer to do to ensure he lands more safely? Also, doesn’t the trainer get some brownie points for making sure what looked like a bad injury only cost him 3 weeks?

    Also, what kind of intervention would you like to ensure we don’t bruise our knees?

    Remember when Kamar turned his ankle against St. John’s last year and they got him ready to play 4 days later and he scored like 24 in the second half?

    No one is saying to blindly support the program no matter what, but acting like these things are mysteries after seeing them occur is just stupidity. There wasn’t a single one of them where it was like, “huh, it didn’t even look bad.” On every single one of them we saw the impact to the player, it was clear what had happened right away, and the outcome was predictable.

    I’m not even arguing in defense of the program or anyone in it. I have no idea if our nutrition program is good, bad great, or anything.

    I’m saying that the conclusion many are drawing is a garbage conclusion given the data we have.



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  15. dawgs2014

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    The Yankees had 30 players on the disabled list in 2019. It absolutely does happen. Look at Tommy John surgeries. It’s called sports. What Estat said and proposed is very likely to blame for any increase in injuries we’ve seen at a macro level, but you can’t change a childhood once it’s over.




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  16. Irishdawg

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    I will say that Purdue back in the Robbie Hummel days seemed to have at least one important piece go down with an ACL tear, both on the football and basketball team. No idea if changes were made, but they've seemed to remain healthy recently.

    With 3 ACL tears in 2 years, Hastings being out with a hip issue and then the other bumps and bruises along the way, assuming it is just bad luck, Butler should be covered for the next several years for any serious injuries. While it's premature to do an analysis, during the offseason as I'm sure they do, a deeper dive needs to be taken on all levels of the program to address any issues, whether it's development, training, medical treatment, recruiting, etc.
     
  17. estar20dawg

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    It very well should be something moving forward on the recruiting front, it wouldn't be hard to find out/ask recruits about their yearly routines/other sports they may cross train in. For example Pierce Thomas as a long jumper and other track/field events strikes me as someone I would feel confident in at least has a great chance of baseline health for 4 years, again injuries happen, stepping on ankles or people landing into you happen, but his cross training and time away from basketball should lend his body to being fresher than others that play bball year round only, with no time off
     
  18. dawgs2014

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    Wasn’t this like a John Wooden thing? Or maybe some football coach. I remember hearing some famous old time coach would only recruit multiple sport athletes.


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  19. PSUButlerFan

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    Joe Paterno...
     
  20. dawgs2014

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    Well if it was good enough for the second winningest college football coach of all time, maybe it should be more widely adopted.


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