Maui Invitational

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  1. ConnersvilleBulldog

    ConnersvilleBulldog Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Here's a link to the bracket for Maui Invitational.

    http://espn.go.com/photo/preview/!pdfs/120725/2012_Maui_Bracket.pdf

    Look's like it's Marquette in game 1 and either Mississippi St. or North Carolina in game 2.

    Also, ESPN has a preview of the tourney. Gives Rotnei some good press. And Eamonn Brennan picks us to win, while most pick NC over Texas.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/61669/bracket-reveal-maui-invitational
     
  2. butlerfan

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    I like the way Brennan thinks. :cool:

    If we were to beat Marquette/North Carolina and Texas, that should vault us up into a Top 10 ranking before meeting probable top ranked Indiana.

    One thing I do like about the bracket is the extra rest we will get before facing North Carolina. 2 to 3 hours is huge on a 1 day turnaround. Texas/USC and Illinois on the other side will be playing much later games(EST). It could have an effect. I like Butler's draw from a time perspective ALOT. I do think the other side of the bracket is much easier though from a talent perspective. I don't see USC and Illinois having very good teams YET.
     
  3. Mr X

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    There’s a reason almost all of the analysts from ESPN thinks the championship game is going to be North Carolina and Texas, it’s pretty obvious that’s the matchup they want to see and set up the bracket as so. As butlerfan said, the bottom half of this bracket is pretty terrible. I can’t really see any team other than Texas giving Butler any trouble. So the nice thing about that for Butler is that I can’t see them doing any worse than 2-1. The other nice thing about the tournament this year is how young the other contenders are so that should give Butler an excellent chance to get some pretty high quality non-conference wins.

    As for playing Marquette in the first round that was one of the schools I was hoping Butler wouldn’t draw. Like the other contenders they are going to be young, but they are not losing as much as say North Carolina and they are getting a decent transfer from ASU that should help offset their losses. This is both a very winnable game and tournament for Butler this year. However, given the slow starts Butler has gotten off to the past couple I don’t see it happening.
     
  4. Jared Grubbs

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    I'm expecting a much quicker start this season. There really shouldn't be that large of an adjustment period. Most likely the entire starting 5 will have been with the team last year (and if that isn't the case, it means one of the freshman are really good, which obviously is even better).
     
  5. Mr X

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    I think the slow starts are more on Stevens than the players. Stevens is pretty consistent in messing around with the rotation in November trying to find the best combinations for later in the season and he has also shown himself for being too loyal to certain upper classmen players at least initially until it's obvious that an adjustment needs to be made.
     
  6. Tiles52

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    I would agree that the last two years Stevens has messed around with the rotation early on and stuck with some of the upperclassmen; but I think a big part of that was because he couldn't get consistent play on a regular basis from a number of players. Prior to that, with Hayward, Mack, Nored, Veasley & Howard, he pretty much stuck with the same rotation from day one. Who knows what will happen this year, but if Marshall and Hopkins have improved and become more consistent during the off season as has been reported, then I think there is a good chance for a consistent starting 5 of Clark, Hopkins, Jones, Marshall & Smith. But even when they had Hayward, Mack, Howard, etc. they still had their bumps in the road early on.
     
  7. Irishdawg

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    I wonder with the summer workouts that they have been able to have this year if there will be as much messing with the rotation as in year's past. Because the coaching staff is able to see how each player is progressing, it should be easier to set the rotation.

    In the case of being loyal to the older guys, I understand, but I think that in some cases it really needs to stop. We know what Stigall is going to bring, and I'm fine with him getting minutes, I just don't want him shooting the ball unless they're just leaving him wide open on the perimeter.
     
  8. firedupkaren

    firedupkaren Well-Known Member

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    If he's in the game, and not shooting...why is he getting minutes? And why are you fine with it?
     
  9. Ignatius J. Reilly

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    I'd assume its because he is a senior and he can hit open shots. Im fine with him having minutes too, as long as the shots he takes aren't fade away jumpers from the NBA line. He can hit open shots, I just think he has a history of taking bad shots. Just a guess, but when someone says they don't want him shooting, I think it is the high degree of difficulty shots they are talking about moreso than shooting in general....obviously if he is open he is going to (and should) shoot.[hr]
    But I shouldn't really talk for other people, just my guess....also, Irishdawg I have basically the same opinion.
     
  10. Title

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    He's a 30% career 3 point shooter. He is a bad shooter, who happens to be a shooting specialist.

    I doubt he'll get minutes and frankly there really isnt any good reason for him getting more than odd ones
     
  11. Ignatius J. Reilly

    Ignatius J. Reilly Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I totally get the fact that his career numbers are trash, and its pretty counter-intuitive to think he will all of a sudden get better (actually the worst possible line of thinking), but whenever I think about him shooting I think about these crazy off balance jump shots....I, being a hopeless optimist, have a hope for some improvement if he doesn't have to take such hard shots, but logic would say that he doesn't.
     
  12. Irishdawg

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    It would be one thing if he was the one that ended up taking a lot of desperation looks at the end of the shot clock and didn't have a choice but to shoot bad shots, but I don't recall that being the case that much last year. Typically it seemed like it was Nored or Hopkins that ended up with that duty. Part of the reason he took such off balance shots last year is that he simply couldn't get himself open. Whether it was his or the screener's fault for him not being open enough to take a good shot becomes irrelevant when he just can't hit the shot and continues to take it. He may improve this season, but he's probably not going to get much better looks than he got 2 years ago with Mack, Howard, Vanzant and Smith on the floor and he shot only slightly better than he did last year. He's also been out with a busted shooting wrist for at least a few weeks this summer.

    The reason why I'm fine with him getting minutes and not shooting is because he's a decent defender and Brad loves guys that have been in the system and defense. I would prefer it if he played a Garrett Butcher type of role where he only is in there for spot situations when the rest of the team isn't getting it done, but I would be surprised if that ends up being his role.
     
  13. Butler1970

    Butler1970 New Member

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    I think Chase was off last year primarily because picks at the top weren't very good. Thus I agree with Irishdawg! It is difficult to get a shot off when you don't have the ball and the screens aren't very good. Let's face it no one sets picks like Howard and there wasn't a point guard on the floor that could penetrate and kick out. Not sure that we have a point guard like that this year or anyone that can set a good pick. We will see.
     
  14. Irishdawg

    Irishdawg Banned User VIP Member

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    You may want to get yourself checked out. ;)

    Back on the subject of Maui, I think we'll find out very quickly if this team will be able to generate any offense if the opposing team is focusing heavily on Clarke. Hopkins and Marshall need to be ready to step up, since it's likely going to be every team's strategy to shut Clarke down.
     
  15. butlerfan

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    #Butler is 8-to-1 to win the Maui Invitational, per @beyondthebets. #A10
     

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