New NCAA Rules - Low APR Means Post Season Ban

Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by Jared Grubbs, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. Jared Grubbs

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    Increase In APR Cutline Approved

    I love it. It should not be difficult at all to achieve a 50 percent graduation rate (and kids don't actually even have to graduate as long as they leave the university in good academic standing). Obviously it's not something that is going to hurt Butler. If anything it could help.
     
  2. But61ler

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    So does Gordon Hayward and Shelving mack leaving early affect Butler graduation rate.

    Are you sure that leaving early doesn't count if the if he left in good standing. This seems odd. Why wouldn't a university state that the player left in good standing.

    Is this really correct that it doesn't count if he was in good standing and leaves early?
     
  3. Jared Grubbs

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    Yes, that is correct. A university can't just report a student is in good standing though, just like they can't just report a player is passing (well, maybe can't isn't the right word, but you get the idea). Many players who leave early stop attending classes after basketball season and thus would not be in good standing. As long as a player completes (and passes) the spring semester they don't hurt APR.
     
  4. grtfldead

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    "930....the overall goal for each team in Division 1" ..hum..I believe the overall goal should be to graduate every player and to have EACH maintain a 2.0 or higher EACH semester in order to play ball. Anything short of that is a disservice to the player and to the institution of higher learning whose charge should always be, "Student first, then athlete".

    If the player is an obvious One & Done, they should have to attend class and perform academically, according to the higher standard that semester, in order to play in the winter and post season. Of course, I'm one of those who believes one should have 3 years of college in GOOD ACADEMIC STANDING in order to even qualify for the draft......."unrealistic...table for one!" There is a reason most pro players across all sports are broke by the time they are 30.
     
  5. xiuman

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    This is a small step in the right direction, but yet it still does little to punish coaches who knowingly recruit players who have little or zero chance to suceed in college academically.
     
  6. Jared Grubbs

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    You are right, it doesn't. But it will push coaches to stay on these players about their grades and get them all of the help they need to succeed in the classroom, and that is a good thing in my opinion. The NCAA can't realistically keep schools from bringing in these types of kids, so I think the best thing they can do is make sure the program is at least trying to get these kids to graduate (if they stay 4 years).

    Unfortunately all of that help won't exactly be legal sometimes, I'm sure. I would expect at some point in the future there will be a school who gets in major trouble for altering grades or doing something illegal to keep kids eligible. If the initial penalty is being ineligible for the postseason I can only imagine the penalty for cheating to get around it.
     
  7. grtfldead

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    It happens already at schools...I worked at a Big Ten school once and was told in no uncertain terms not to pursue disciplinary action against a player who had stolen someone's paper and submitted it as his own. The prof was told the same thing although the teacher would not admit it-told me the player might not have actually REALIZED he had submitted the wrong paper....the kid had already admitted it to me in a formal hearing. Happens in more ways than you know at some institutions.
     
  8. Jared Grubbs

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    Oh, I'm sure it does, and we see those types of violations pop up occasionally. But the difference between losing a scholarship and losing a postseason appearance is huge, so I expect it to happen much more.
     
  9. Jared Grubbs

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