Next Season Will Be A Success If ________

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  1. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Clarification…do both have to happen?

    What if team finishes 6th in BE and makes tournament?

    Is that a failed season?


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  2. the_speakers_lab

    the_speakers_lab Well-Known Member

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    Idc how many non-conference wins we get, what position we finish in the Big East, how we do in the Big East tournament, or really how far we advance in the Tournament. All I care about is that we make the Tournament (it’s all based on matchups and some luck). At this point, I’m kinda done w excuses. Injuries and COVID aren’t exclusive to just Butler. There’s no more Holtmann recruiting classes to blame. There’s more than plenty of player experience on the team. The “well the Head Coach is still learning” excuse was bs to begin with. It’s time for the coaches and players to step up.

    I didn’t put getting your degree bc I hope everyone would see that as a mandatory deal breaker to representing Butler
     
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  3. Cranjis McBasketball

    Cranjis McBasketball Well-Known Member

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    Okay guys, how we doing so far on our goals?


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  4. Title

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    This thread is the perfect abstract for the FAQ ‘What is the site all about?’
     
  5. schoops

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    I miss the blissful optimism of mid-summer.
     
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  6. Shane Davis

    Shane Davis Well-Known Member

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    I think the ‘LaVall’s last season’ thread is as close as you’ll get right now.
     
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  7. znelson15

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    Oh reading back on this is great!!!!

    Thanks for bringing the thread back up.


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  8. Cranjis McBasketball

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    In a few games I’ll bring up the thread where we thought Creighton would be 2nd worst next to DePaul since they lost all 5 starters and 85% of their scoring in the off-season… sigh


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  9. Cranjis McBasketball

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    Seadawg gets kudos for his accurate, albeit pessimistic, expectation.


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  10. NCJon

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    Yeah, Creighton is the biggest surprise of this Big East season so far.
     
  11. Cranjis McBasketball

    Cranjis McBasketball Well-Known Member

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    Now that the season is officially over. This is the final bump on this thread to bring it out of the depths one last time. It's definitely worth a quick read from the beginning to see how this season went in respect to expectations. I will be starting a new thread with some quotes in a few moments.
     
  12. Cranjis McBasketball

    Cranjis McBasketball Well-Known Member

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    Before the season really starts going. I thought I would bump this thread back up so maybe we can get some more freezing cold takes next spring (looking at those who were expecting butler to be a March madness team last year including me).

    I think the season will be a success with 20 wins. That keeps us near a bubble. Obviously I would LOVE to be a tourney team and I think that would be the benchmark if we had a fully healthy roster from the gate. (Thomas, Ali, Wilmoth are arguably starter material on most teams). I think being in top 6 at the end of BE would be a success too which you would assume would get us into tourney as long as we don’t lay many eggs in the non-con.




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  13. Shane Davis

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    I defended LaVall for pretty much the whole off-season until they lost to Texas A&M, I'll take the next cold take. :)


    Assuming success is making the Tourney, I'll say it's a success if:

    1. They leave the Bahamas with at least 2 wins and can avoid any bad losses before they begin Big East play. We are going to learn something about this team come Monday, but like others have said the Battle for Atlantis will show us what kind of resolve they have. 2 wins would be acceptable, but if they find a way to beat Tennessee then that should be the marquee win that makes everything else easier.
    2. They play .500 against the Big East. I don't believe Butler is finishing near the bottom, but I do expect the league to be tough this year, and that should work in Butler's favor....assuming they don't roll over against the likes of Georgetown and DePaul.
    3. Manny Bates avoids any serious injury I know injuries have been an ongoing issue, but we cannot afford to have Bates be out for any extended period of time , not with Thomas and Wilmoth's health in question and no one else with legitimate size to take their place.
    I'm prepared to see some growing pains, but I believe Butler will get better as the season goes and they will find a way to, at the very least, stay on the bubble.




     
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  14. BigHoss

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    Here's what I think makes this year a success:

    IF we stay healthy, and IF we have all players academically eligible, we enter the month of March still in consideration for the tournament. Being on the bubble down the stretch alone will provide us with more excitement than we've had in a while.

    I think that there's a much wider range of possibilities that could play out with the pieces on this team, compared to previous years. The ceiling is much higher than it has been. But if we can make the tournament in some way shape or form in Year 1 (part 2) of the Thad Era, I'll call it a great success.
     
  15. ButlerGoalie

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    I'd like for them to show effort and be competitive in every game...that would be a success. Unlike most years, I'm not too concerned with wins and losses, I just want to be able to say after this season that this team is on the verge of something special.

    I'd love to see them be on the bubble and then maybe win the NIT? I do think that this team needs to re-learn how to win and how to play being the favorite. Some pieces will help with that (Hunter), but a lot of the young pups have known nothing but pain since coming to Butler...time to change the whole mindset.
     
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  16. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    While it's entirely too early to make a summation on the success of the season, there is little question that this team is improved over last couple of years. Still, TM is not a miracle worker and this team up to this point has a glaring weakness, namely outside shooting. Expectations probably need moderation. Perhaps Ali can change that, but inconsistency may be the norm going forward, with regards to shooting. That flaw will show its' evil head from time to time throughout the season. Let's hope it's less than more...
     

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