Non-Big East Conversation

I don't see how this is different than college basketball has always been.

Coaches and schools have long gone out of their way to cover for players - as long as they were good enough.

 

That didn’t happen for Dave Bliss or New Mexico State recently

 

Maybe I missed the part where NMSU cancelled its season when a player commited a homicide and a coach tried to hide the weapon. Oh wait, it was the hazing three months later that led to that. Also notable that Bliss initially tried to falsely pass off Patrick Denehy, the murdered player from his team, as a drug dealer during that brief initial period where Bliss thought he might still be able to coach.

There's lots of examples of schools covering until they couldn't. Both of those are examples of that.

 

I think y'all have figured out over the years I'm a huge SEC fan and homer. I don't hide that. But I can't shake what is happening at Bama. It's gross. It's irresponsible and it's an absolute disgusting display that yells "if he's good, he can do no wrong".

I do not like Bama. Think that's obvious. But if this was an Ole Miss thing I'd feel the same. How Oats (who I used to respect like crazy) can let this just go...I can't get around it. There are a lot of crimes people get accused of and they are innocent. I believe in the right to a fair trial and getting the best defense you can. My daddy built our house and funded our educations by doing just that. Even so...I can't wrap my head around this. How the coaches and the administration are just looking away. The dude had a part in a murder. Of a mother. Go F, Bama.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-alabam...-not-been-charged-with-a-crime-223931989.html

According to the article, Miller has not been charged with a crime and likely won't be due to lack of ability to prove his intention in bringing the gun. I think there is some room for debate regarding whether he should play or not, at least on that basis.

I'm not saying he should play. I'm not saying he shouldn't play. I'm just saying a case can be made that he should be allowed to play and that perhaps Oats' reasons for letting him play span beyond merely winning games.

That all said, Miller clearly violated 4 common-sense rules here:

1. Don't go to nightclubs.
2. Don't bring guns to nightclubs.
3. If your friend asks you to bring a gun to a nightclubs, find a different friend.
4. Follow rules 1-3.

 

What I don't understand is every athlete upon entering college had to sign a code of conduct, I know for certain most schools I've seen, weapons and specifically guns are in there, does Alabama not have a code of conduct or is it there's just you can do whatever you want? This should be an automatic suspension pending a review/investigation. You are always taught you are an ambassador of the University and your scholarship and ability to play is a privilege not a right... Just a disgusting showing all around

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In the newspaper industry, there's a long-running, derisive and at times unfair joke about the sports desk being the "Toy Department" and that article is a prime example of why. A sports reporter covering something out of his norm and making a lot of little and/or lazy mistakes, but the central premise is correct.

Alabama Media Group had a better version of it a couple of days ago:

https://www.al.com/news/2023/02/why...egal-experts-say-it-comes-down-to-intent.html

I am not a lawyer in Alabama, but I have lots of legal experience in criminal law elsewhere. I think the intent issue is the simple explanation and would be difficult to prove. I also think the more complex answer is that given the text message in which Darius Miles explicitly tells Miller he needs him to bring his gun, he could be charged with accessory and that the overwhelming majority of the time a person in his position would be charged. But those charges are as much about getting cooperation as they are about anything else, and it does appear that Miller has freely cooperated and has been helpful to law enforcement. It makes sense to me that he wasn't charged.

Alabama, on the other hand, should have immediately and indefinitely suspended Miller and Jaden Bradley, who was also there, in the day or two after the murder when they became aware that both players were also present. They could've let him back on the court a few games later after a public statement about his cooperation with law enforcement and this whole thing would've blown over. Instead, they tried to cover for him and keep him on the court and now it's going to be an even bigger PR problem because they have no decent justification for their ham-handedness.

 

If he was charged and it made it to trial...a good defense attorney (and Bama has many heavy hitters) probably finds a way to get him loose. Even so...he shouldn't be playing. He literally brought a murder weapon to what became a murder scene. And you will never get me (or any person with at least 1/10 of a brain) to believe he didn't know the situation or circumstances.

 

This is the world we live in, and really have always lived in. If you're talented enough at something, transgressions in a legal or moral sense, sometimes major ones, are ignored or excused. With social media though it's a lot harder to hide it when things like this happen, which can be a good or bad thing depending on the situation.

 

Guaranteed if Miller was a deep in the bench player he’d be gone. Equity does not apply here. But this is Alabama where sports and winning national championships is way more important than doing the right thing. There is no other reason for him to still be a student let alone bball player.

 

Ole Miss kicked Kermit. Very sad. I was a huge fan of his but he just really failed in this position. He struck me as an amazing get at the time but over the years and where our seats our for games-I just saw things I didn't like and he hasn't gotten the full out of his talent that he should have. They have a very good recruiting class coming in next season, I'm sure a couple will bail. But this needed to be done. I hung on as long as I could. But it was just a horrible fit.

 

Yea that's crazy, he did great things at MTSU. Just shows how hard it is to make the transition to a P5 conference coach from a mid.

 

I don't follow Parrish much but this is fairly to the point. What a fubar, sad situation.

 

NCAA sanctions Miami women's hoops for NIL-related infraction
https://www.espn.com/womens-college...tions-miami-women-hoop-nil-related-infraction

Who knew there actually were NIL rules?

 

I've known Gary from my days in Memphis/Mississippi and even though I like him...I hardly agree with him on non basketball issues. He's a good dude, but some of his takes are a little too much for me. Saying that...he's dead on here. I'm in lockstep with that opinion.

And again, odds are he'd cooperate and there would be no formal charges. Even so-Oats is giving a bad look here. The whole Athletic Department is.

 

I think we all need to go back and watch from the last 5 minutes of regulation on of today's Michigan State/Iowa game.

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How and why?

 

That's a comeback.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ot...d=hpmsn&cvid=8ba73216c318457f8d7be48fada1011f

Gonzaga's rumored move to the Big 12 was the focus of Game Day.

 

Iowa hit 5 threes in the final 40 seconds of regulation to force OT. Admire the comeback although I almost always root against Iowa because I swear every time I watch them Fran McCaffery acts like an out of control expletive.


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