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Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by willisbrown, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. BNiche

    BNiche Active Member

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    Butler's NET ranking? 311. Out of 356 teams. Just... horrendous.
     
  2. Hinkle

    Hinkle Well-Known Member

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    Edit: never mind.


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  3. ButlerGoalie

    ButlerGoalie Well-Known Member

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    I assume these are related. It's OK Hinkle, I wrote the original post and I did a double take at the 311 NET ranking. For the women's team, that is horrendous. I know there was some traction with the program a few years ago, but it seems that it's not going well. Maybe the opportunity and exposure to play UConn twice a year will attract some talent that they wouldn't have pulled before, but yeah, yikes.

    BC could be doing a dual coaching search in the Spring.
     
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  4. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    I know your point is still valid so I’m not meaning for this to come at you too hard, but there’s about a 0% chance Butler ever beats UConn’s women “with regularity”. There’s nowhere near the same parity in the women’s game like there is that has allowed the men to beat Nova.

    What women’s program in the last 20+ years has beat UConn with regularity? No one… if anyone does somehow, it certainly won’t be Butler
     
  5. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    They are appallingly bad. It is completely inexplicable.


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  6. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    Correct. Striving to beat UCONN with some regularity is effectively striving to become a national champion. UCONN just lost to an unranked non conference team for the first time in nearly ten years.

    I think investing in the womens program in a meaningful way is also a very, very, very low ROI investment.

    For example, DePaul has a SPECTACULAR women’s program. From what I can tell 2021 was the first year that they haven’t gone to the NCAA tournament since 2002. Despite that, they only have 4 sweet 16’s, and never won in the sweet 16. There are a few schools that get all of the top talent almost every year. You can be *excellent* and nowhere near good enough to contend with the top teams.

    Furthermore to your point-despite DePaul being a spectacular team, everyone uses DePaul as the case study for the school you want to avoid being. South Carolina-an actual womens basketball natl contender-is a shoulder shrug on the mens side. Womens success seems to be completely independent of men’s.


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  7. butlerguy03

    butlerguy03 Well-Known Member

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    In some cases, yes. In most cases, a good/great men's program will lift the women's program too. Like it or not, girls high school players are probably more aware of who is ranked in men's CBB than women's CBB (other than the usual Top 10). Due to equality, you're going to get the same benefits as the men's program too.

    Example: saying you are playing women's basketball at Kentucky or Duke means more just because of the men's program.
     
  8. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    This is mosssstly true. Kansas has historically (at least last ten years l) has a terrible womens program. IU was bad when I was in college. Some random places are usually terrible, like i think Florida state was bad-but of course there are exceptions-and what you say about the benefits is very close to exactly true.

    I 100% agree girls high school players are more likely aware of good Mens teams than womens outside of Notre Dame, Baylor, Tennessee, UCONN and SC.


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  9. ButlerGoalie

    ButlerGoalie Well-Known Member

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    Oh, you can come hard at me. I should say "beating UConn with regularity" is what once or twice in a lifetime? haha. I probably should have said being competitive with regularity.
     
  10. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    Even that is likely a stretch :)
     
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  11. ButlerProf

    ButlerProf Well-Known Member

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    First thought: sad statement.
    Next: “meaningful way” has many definitions.
    More: WBB has contributed much to Butler. Program is on a down slope currently. Ok. I’m calling BS on the “very, very, very low ROI.” Mention of U. South Carolina programs makes me giggle & shrug. ROI statement on Butler WBB is sad. So sad.


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  12. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    This is incredibly weirdly written.

    But what I said is true.

    Whether they are good or not good makes hardly any difference to anyone, even inside that department.

    They would have to increase ticket sales by a factor of twenty or so to fill the building to ten percent capacity.

    And they’re not alone. They certainly lag IU in attendance, but Ball State is similar. Iupui is similar. All Big East programs are pretty similar. All A10 programs were pretty similar.

    This is not a commentary on the quality of the product-womens basketball has never been in a better place-but at Butler being good doesn’t mean that more people are going to care.


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  13. ConnersvilleBulldog

    ConnersvilleBulldog Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Nova is getting Dollar Beer Nighted at Creighton right now. Down 9 just before halftime.
     
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  14. Insane Dawg

    Insane Dawg Well-Known Member

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    Creighton hitting 50% of their threes makes them look very solid. But this is not as talented or athletic a Nova team as in prior years outside of Gillespie. Also Nova’s defense isn’t anywhere as good as past teams. Rebounding is not a strength.
     
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  15. ButlerNut

    ButlerNut Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Creighton must have Villanova blue confused with Butler blue.

    Damn. Creighton is rolling

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  16. BURph92

    BURph92 Well-Known Member

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    Wonder when the last time Villanova lost consecutive games by 20+ points?


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  17. ConnersvilleBulldog

    ConnersvilleBulldog Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    1998-99 season.
     
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  18. PSUButlerFan

    PSUButlerFan Well-Known Member

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    Some dude on Kentucky had 28 rebounds tonight. 28 rebounds. In one game.

    For sake of comparison, Butler had 27 as a team against Purdue.
     
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  19. BURph92

    BURph92 Well-Known Member

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    Seems odd to me that last month the Maui Invitational was moved to Las Vegas yet the Diamond Head Classic is still being played in Honolulu.


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  20. NCJon

    NCJon Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Michigan State losing to High Point 35-34 at the half in the early afternoon game today.
     

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