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  1. willisbrown

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    I can't believe none of y'all have lost your minds about the party in Tuscaloosa last night. Talk about something that paves the way for angry corona comments. Crickets about it though.
     
  2. butlerguy03

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    Deflection.

    Also, COVID is so far off the rails in Alabama (and the entire south) that it wouldn't matter at this point.
     
  3. Irishdawg

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    The funny thing is, I honestly don't think it matters to some of his supporters. Before Parler was taken down, there were posters stating that the video that Trump posted about the violent individuals not being American (the one he read from a teleprompter and sounded insincere as all get out, but did say the right words) wasn't actually Trump. Some of those folks are lost, potentially forever.

    Republicans aren't debating the merits of the impeachment. The only talking points I've seen is they are worried about further violence and dividing the country further. I don't want violence either, and some of the plans that the FBI is aware of that have been published really are horrifying if they came to pass. But we shouldn't negotiate with domestic terrorists, and if anything, threats of further violence just illustrate WHY he is so dangerous and shouldn't be allowed to spread his influence or ideology in public office.

    As for the Corona party down in Tuscaloosa... regardless of how much spread results from it, it is a stupid idea. It was stupid when they stormed the field when ND beat Clemson, the 4th of July party on Diamond Lake up here was really stupid and the party down in the Ozarks of Missouri was dumb. People will likely get sick from it. Some (even if very few) could die. At some point maybe folks will learn, but if it hasn't happened by now, I don't anticipate it happening soon. Stuff like that just delays our recovery, and it's even more dumb considering Alabama essentially celebrates a National Title every other year.
     
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    Edit: ...”something that paved the way for corona to spread”

    It’s more an anger at the systems that allow this to take place. Individuals haven’t been given the proper guidance and tools to get through this pandemic bc of trumps objectively pro-covid behavior.

    As a result, we will have 500k dead at the end of February with a 9/11 number of deaths nearly every day between now and then.


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  5. BUcheer

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    Sadly/frighteningly these extremists aren't going away—even if Trump never says another word they perceive as encouraging. They were emboldened by having him in office, but they aren’t normally affiliated with mainstream politics or a party. They’ve turned on anyone not in lockstep with them as evidenced by the violence against police and threatened against R leadership. They will create chaos outside of normal political channels, i.e. classic terrorism.
     
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  6. dawgs2014

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    Here’s my question, what is it that they want for themselves?


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  7. willisbrown

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    This is what bothers me as well. These yay-hoos aren't going anywhere and are only dead set on causing chaos which will fracture (already has to a point) the republican party that I would say I kind of affiliate with but I've become more moderate as I age. Still though I lean conservative and wish there were conservatives I could get on board with that I thought would stand up to this powerfully instead of cow tailing to so much of it.

    There is some newer republican blood but not nearly the numbers to get this thing back on track. At least not yet. Plenty out there I could align with but they need to show us all much more. Right now it's a crap show. Worst thing is that 74 million people (roughly) voted for Trump. The actions of a small portion of tha,t based on Trump riling them all up went bananas. And it's painted and tainted everything republican. Which much like the extreme left, I don't believe it paints the whole picture. But this is the latest "big" thing (and it's huge) so it very well could be doomsday for the party I used to know.

    And it's only going to get worse with them revolting against what they see as a radical left government. For a moderate conservative right now, it's a no win situation. I can't get on board with the policies Biden/Harris and big tech are going to throw on us, but I surely don't recognize the republicans anymore. My hope is that Biden has a pair and finds his more moderate self, having a "buck stops here" mentality and doesn't let the far left run things. They're going to push him and push him hard. If he can stand pat I think it could go a long way to slowly but surely eliminating the faction which we saw the other day. Maybe that's wishful thinking. Who knows anymore. It's all just sad.
     
  8. PSUButlerFan

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    It has pained and tainted everything Republican because they have defended him at every turn. He made similar threats during the 2016 campaign and Republicans have defended it. They did this to themselves for not having a set.
     
  9. PSUButlerFan

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    By the way... sorry to your “traditional” Republican views, Willis and InsaneDawg.

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  10. Ignatius J. Reilly

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    Willis: I don't recognize the Republicans who stormed the Capitol. How did we ever come to this? When did we become gripped by this conspiracy theory lunacy?

    Also Willis: Hopefully brain-dead Joe Biden isn't too far gone that he's used as a puppet to usher in socialism by AOC!
     
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  11. Irishdawg

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    The thing is, while I lean left based on what representatives are available to me, I wholeheartedly agree that Section 230 absolutely needs reformed, and that Big Tech does need to get broken up. Just like I think most agree across the aisle that our infrastructure is in desperate need of repair.

    The more progressive wing of the Democratic party has a voice, but the constant fear-mongering about a few Democratic reps (who constantly complain about not having a leadership role in the party) taking over is still confounding to me. If they wanted a more progressive agenda, Democrats had plenty of options in the primaries. They aren't organized enough to pull off some intricate Manchurian Candidate plot, despite what you may hear. The corporate wing (Pelosi and Schumer) still run things.

    The faction of Republicans that stormed the Capitol last week is only as large as it is (and I agree it's not the majority, but polling suggests it's at least 20-25% of Republican voters) because Trump (and by larger extension Republicans in Congress) gave them the ability to be who they are out in the open and lied to them constantly for their own political benefit. There's at least a section of that group that isn't going away (and never did previously), but the actions on January 6th only put more fuel on the fire, because they see what they did as a success, which is why there's so much chatter around additional attacks.
     
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    Shirtless, Horned Capitol Rioter Jake Angeli Demands Organic Food In Jail
     
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    Hospital beds/staff are critically low as well. We may start to see (more) resource-rationing "triage" deaths soon.
     
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  15. butlerguy03

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    The key to this is exactly what Indiana is doing, start with first responders, then the highest age groups and move down. As we get further down the age groups, the less likely a person is to be hospitalized. Once we secure the hospitals - and give the staff a break - we may begin to get back to the new normal.

    edit: I should say that part of the problem is the general public refusing to get vaccinated. So, it may last longer just because of that.
     
  16. willisbrown

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    That's one poll and it's not the base of the party. I'm supposed to believe all the country clubbers around this country support this action. My parents voted for Trump for fiscal reasons, so I guess I should lump them in with the ass holes from the other day?

    They polled who they polled but it's one, very very small poll. It's interesting, but it's one poll. Tell you what, I'll go down to Atlanta Athletic Club and do a poll of all it's members and let's see where the numbers are. About the same sample size. You'll get a real feel for republican sentiment.

    See, I can do it too.

    It was a gross act but it does not represent the majority of the base. Unfortunately as I stated earlier, and as PSU pointed out, it will (has) stained the party and yes, they created their own enemy on this one. There's no clear path to clean this stain anytime soon either. Republicans, if they ever want to win another election need to grow a pair and distance themselves from all of this. Trump is now a shadow puppet. Time to dump him and harshly if they want to move forward.
     
  17. Ignatius J. Reilly

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    The comments below are from here (https://patrickwyman.substack.com/p/what-just-happened) but we really, really should not fall into the trap of thinking that this was lunatics and not country clubbers. Emphasis mine. I want to be crystal clear that I'm not making any comment about your parents, Willis. I'm sure they're fine people. What I'm responding to is the idea that prosperous country club folks can't do awful things is flatly wrong. The people who wanted to kill Pence are the dudes who own a chain of used car dealerships; they're not the people driving used cars.

    "Though there were white supremacists, militia extremists, and professional conspiracy-peddlers among the crowd, these were not the actions of a lunatic fringe. Now that law enforcement has gotten around to identifying some of those responsible for Wednesday’s insurrection, we see small-business owners like Ashli Babbitt, the Air Force veteran shot and killed inside the Capitol; military officers like Larry Brock, a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel who wore tactical gear and carried zip ties; and West Virginia legislator Derrick Evans. Others identified among the mob include marketing executives, active-duty members of the military, prosperous stay-at-home dads, the owner of a manufactured housing business, the vice-chairwoman of the Young Republicans of Oregon, New York firefighters, and two members of the Seattle Police Department. These were normal people whose political views led them to extreme actions.

    I’m frankly shocked by the amount of surprise I’ve seen among the media and commentators at the demographic profile of the rioters. “How could these upstanding members of society take part in such a shocking act of violence,” they ask?

    Pinning the blame for political violence on the lunatic fringe, rather than ordinary members of society, is a comforting lie folks tell themselves to avoid the reality of our political situation, how we’ve gotten to this point, and the possible futures leading forward from here.

    It is absolutely essential that we understand it’s a lie. Perfectly normal people - business owners, farmers, factory workers, shopkeepers, and decorated military veterans - have been the willing and enthusiastic footsoldiers of every fascist, authoritarian, and genocidal regime in history. For every bearded miscreant wearing a sweatshirt celebrating the Holocaust in that crowd, there were a dozen firefighters, cops, masonry workers, and business owners. It’s an unfortunate fact that people who have done or who are willing to do even the worst things don’t wear signs around their necks advertising it."
     
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  18. dawgs2014

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    Willis-your parents should not be grouped in with those lunatics. I will stand my ground on that. There are totally decent people who voted for Trump and they cannot and should not be viewed the same as those who stormed the capitol, showed up to the rally etc. I think it’s dangerous to view them as one group. The people at the capitol should be viewed by everyone as the enemy. People who simply vote differently should be viewed as allies.

    Where we get murky, however, is that people who voted for Trump *did* enable him. That is something that cannot be argued. You cannot vote for Trump for fiscal reasons, and not *also* vote for everything else that comes with him; they are one and the same. To vote for Trump is to say, “the extracurriculars aren’t important enough to me to keep me from encouraging them by supporting him.”

    So while it is unfair to blame the actions of those in Washington on your parents, it is unfair to call your parents domestic terrorists, it is unfair to say that they are the same as those in Washington, it is true that preventing something like this was not important enough to them to not vote for him.







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  19. willisbrown

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    It was 100K or so radicals. Maybe I live in a bubble? Maybe living in North Fulton Co or when I go back to Mississippi, I'm surrounded by good God fearing conservatives that would never even think about thinking about these actions. These were the awful actions of a few, no matter what they do with their lives (if anything at all). And I use the word "few" relative to how many republicans/conservatives live in this country. It was an awful act that was riled up and got way out of hand...hell maybe aided by those entrusted to secure the capitol. There was nothing good about it and it doesn't represent the party...problem is perception is reality and the party is probably never going to be the same, hell may even dissolve. It's still not the conservative base. It's just not what's going on out there.

    Every conservative I know whether personally or journalists/media members I follow and read have all spoken out against this. Vehemently spoken out. I don't know one person who said "yeah...that was pretty cool what they did."

    As I said last week-it was a sickening act riled up by a lunatic seeing power slipping through his fingers. It was his last stand. These ya-hoos knew it and ran with it. How anyone with a clear conscience or even a semi sense of rationalization...hell a 1/10 working brain, could think this was a good thing or something that will help things going forward...they're idiots. There are ways to fight, even if you are in really bad shape with your business because of all the lockdowns...this ain't the way. And the way majority of conservatives know this.
     
  20. willisbrown

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    What you said is not wrong and I completely agree. It's why I wish a fiscal third party could rise from all of this. I just don't think with how awful things have become, that will ever stand a chance. I wish it could. I wish the Dems-Republican thing would go away. But, it's not and will get uglier.
     
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