Recruiting Notes 5.0 (The Summer of the Hazmat Suit)

Discussion in 'Butler Recruiting' started by willisbrown, Apr 27, 2020.

  1. BURph92

    BURph92 Well-Known Member

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    Is Nate Dudukovich Dan’s son? I remember Dan playing on two NCAA tournament teams at Butler for Barry Collier from 1994-98.
     
  2. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    He is.
     
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  3. iluvsnow

    iluvsnow Well-Known Member

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    Good write-up by the Cincy Enquirer on Dudukovich and his family. Has a brother who is an 8th grader who may be a talent as well. Sister was a top soccer player in the Cincy region and of course both parents are former basketball players at Butler. Have to be an Enquirer subscriber to read...or know of unscrupulous ways to circumnavigate:p.

    https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...est-snares-gmc-hoops-scoring-lead/4260013001/
     
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  4. ButlerGoalie

    ButlerGoalie Well-Known Member

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    Dudukovich... Now there's a name I've not heard in a long, long time. A long time.

    Next you're going to tell me that little Rolf Van Rijn is getting play...or Jon Neuhouser's kid is a big deal. Actually, I'd take another Neuhouser, that dude was a baller.
     
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  5. mwall787

    mwall787 Well-Known Member

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  6. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Tolefree appears to be a deceptively rangy athlete with excellent perimeter shooting skills from the video footage.
     
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  7. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    Seems to be a break out candidate we are on early in the process, seems like a long shot if he gets a Marquette offer, sounds like that's where he wants to go
     
  8. bumba

    bumba Well-Known Member

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  9. SnoopDawg

    SnoopDawg Well-Known Member

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    I'm showing he's 5'9? Is that true or has he grown? Does he have any relation to Terry Rozier?
     
  10. znelson15

    znelson15 Well-Known Member

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    The staff still does and has shown to recruit great talent. With that going I will always be on board

    Excited for any new high school recruits they try to bring in


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  11. UDDawg

    UDDawg Well-Known Member

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    Lovely.

     
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  12. Lukas Harkins

    Lukas Harkins Well-Known Member

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    It isn't news, and it's the reality of the situation. I think few understand just how hard it is to recruit at a Big East level with the budget/resources that Butler has right now. I hear this type of sentiment about the program a ton from people I talk to at or around various programs in the country. The 2020 recruiting class remains incredibly impressive by this staff.

    The article also quotes another Big East coach as stating the following: "They're fighting an uphill battle from a resources standpoint, the finances. They had great success with Brad Stevens, the Final Fours. But if you're a kid from outside the state of Indiana, and it's down to Butler or anywhere else in the Big East, you're picking another school. The resources, the NBA players, Butler doesn't really have that."

    I won't post more of the article/Butler section since it is behind a paywall and I respect that, but I thought the quote was relevant to the discussion.
     
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  13. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The realization is "no one does more with less than BU".
     
  14. godogs91

    godogs91 Well-Known Member

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    Lukas, I know that there is a lot of discussion about this, including talk that the numbers are at least somewhat skewed by the fact that expenses for some schools include facility rental. Are there any sources available that pull those numbers out of the expense equation? I'm sure Butler would still rank pretty much where they are now, but it would be interesting to see how much different it is.

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  15. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Lots of thoughts here, but when you say “recruit at a big East level” are you talking the actual tracking/relationship building process of recruiting or are you saying it’s hard to convince kids to pull for Butler because we are missing some bells and whistles that other programs may have? From what I can tell, there’s just a few areas we can’t/haven’t yet been able to compete:

    1) Coaching salary—no doubt the biggest obstacle to consistent success and needs to be a priority.
    2) Dedicated practice facility. EFG reno helped a great deal but still need to aspire to more. Not sure what the BE comps are here though—are we really that far below?
    3) NBA arena? That’s not gonna change obviously.
    4) Player only dorms, etc. That’s not happening for a variety of reasons. And again, what are the BE comps?

    In what other categories does BU fall behind? Seems like most everything else is comparable that I can come up with.

    The Coach quoted above comes across very superficially re: Butler. Love to know why he thinks non-Indiana kids shun BU and what he’s basing that on. He throws out “resources”—but I want more as to what specific resources and how it’s impacting results.
     
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  16. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    Athletes only dining hall.

    Also I think there may be other general campus stuff/vibes that impair us.


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  17. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    75% female has to help as a selling point, there's areas I think we do very well in terms of selling points, i.e. home court advantage
     
  18. dawgs2014

    dawgs2014 Well-Known Member

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    I honestly don’t know if it does. I can’t see anyone choosing to go play basketball at one place that has 50% women and another having 75%.

    Butlers campus vibe is decidedly less of a scene than some other places like Dayton, Miami etc. Doesnt mean it’s worse, but it’s likely a harder sell.


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  19. estar20dawg

    estar20dawg Well-Known Member

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    I guess that would be an opinion...I loved summers on campus, being downtown in less than 15, running the canal paths, the clock tower... maybe it was just me
     
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  20. seadawg

    seadawg Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    The greatest obstacle along with coaching salaries is an more lucrative travel budget for recruiting expenses. The rest is merely fluff and bares little substance. IMHO After all, some coaches are vastly overpaid from where I stand.
     
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