St. John's Red Storm (13-7, 7-6) at Butler Bulldogs (6-10, 5-8), Tuesday, 2/9, 9:00 PM EST (FS1)

Maybe right, thats more Providence throw it off the glass and shove. I guess I'm still irritated at how many screaming in the faces that went on and listening to them talking s*** in the first half and second half. The one good thing about not having fans or a lot of them and the microphones on the court you can hear the players. I give our kids credit very rarely do they do it. But it seemed like every other basket I had to hear some s**t directed at one of our kids, that ain't basketball that's thug to me. So not playing style just attitude I guess. I listen at what the players, refs, coaches are saying more than what the announcers are saying, I have it quiet in the house with it turned up to hear as much as I can. And to me, the trash talking from St John was easily top 2 this season, maybe number one, Xavier was pretty bad as well.

 

all of the above and more

 

Duly noted. With 2 little ones, I couldn't hear what was going on if my life depended on it, either because the volume is way down when they're sleeping, or their volume is way up so it doesn't matter how loud the TV is.

I don't like crap talkers either, but that's on the officials to control it, and it's not like we're completely immune to it at Butler.

 

Like I said, we rarely do it and it's usually in response to someone else doing it first, AT does it the most and it's usually cause he hears it the most.

 

Yeah, if you don't like getting trash talked, quit giving up dunks. Nobody got chippy last night. Can't imagine it was anything outside of the norm.

 

Oh 100% agree, I would have never stood for that. There would have been definite T's flying

 

This is my response to it too.

I don’t like it, but that’s like...the point.


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Last time I checked dunks count for 2 points. The team doing the dunking and chirping lost last night.

 

Are you saying the trash talk wasn't out of the norm? The dude yelled and flexed after every single dunk he had. I don't care if they were all impressive, I've rarely seen a guy be that demonstrative on several plays in a row.

 

I'm not saying there should have been technical called, but given how college refs usually respond, I was shocked Moore didn't pick up a T. I remember Nze got one in Providence for basically doing the same thing.

 

He was being quite obnoxious out there for sure, and getting his dunks at will. Which is when I said we need to put him on the floor, and if we get a flagrant, so what. Well, Hodges put him on the floor in the second half and the dunking/woofing ended. That's the way you handle those bafoons.

 

I much prefer to let play do the talking. Teams like BU often have to earn respect of opponents and officials. Play speaks much louder than woofing.

 

The “(auto loss)” comment was meant to apply to the at creighton game. But I agree that it isn’t *actually* an auto-loss game; it just feels like it at this point.

And I think we were down 9 or 11 at the under four at Nova. Regardless, again, I agree it’s not unwinnable.

 

I think the Thompson injury was what signaled the under 8 and it WAS 5 or 6 at that point. We typically match up well with Nova, though.


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Ever notice how certain posters only appear when the Dawgs lose so they can bring their negativity and BS to the forum?

 

Agreed. Haven’t watched the broadcast, but the woofing/flexing in person was quite noticeable. And yeah, if you don’t want that, then stop giving up the highlight dunks. But he’d been chirping all game in addition—not a good look on the road.

 

Anybody have a clip of the Hodges foul on Moore that people are talking about? I'm a sucker for a good hard foul on showboaters, but didn't get to catch yesterday's game until the very end. The conversation reminded of my personal favorite example of Hayward wrecking Randy Culpepper at the end of the 2010 tournament game against UTEP:

 

It's because they don't like LaVall, and they wrongly suppose that if we lose more games this season, then it'll hasten his departure. Winning games but not making the tournament is not the outcome they want. They want to lose more games so LaVall gets axed. That's why they never cheer on Ws and flood threads when there are Ls.

Coach is gonna be here for 3-4 more years anyway. Why be miserable when you can celebrate the wins instead?