The horse is dead but I'm still going to beat it

Discussion in 'Butler Basketball' started by VonZipper, Nov 13, 2011.

  1. VonZipper

    VonZipper Member

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    I have a question for those of you who know basketball better than I do. If the ref blows the whistle for a foul commited during a shot and the shot goes in as a continuance of the shooters efforts, doesn't the shot count? And didn't the ref signal "count the basket?" The clock should stop at the time of the whistle, and the shot dropping in should be "off the clock". So if I have interpreted this correctly....didn't Andrew Smiith win the game last night?

    Maybe I'm just a sore loser but I hate a game that is determined by poor officiating. And this was not the worst of it.
     
  2. Title

    Title Well-Known Member

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    Yes Butler was robbed of a win like not many will the remainder of the year.

    But, that doesn't excuse them.

    That margin shouldve been 15-20 points. The refereeing shouldve been irrelevant.

    They stopped competing up 13 mid 2nd half.
     
  3. BUcheer

    BUcheer Well-Known Member VIP Member

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    Pretty sure we weren't 15-20 better yesterday. Watching in person, it was clear Evansville hadn't given up and had another run left in them. Also, I know it's always said that our offense comes from the defense, but yesterday it was almost like our poor shot selection led to a bucket on the other end--no way we should have given up so many drives in the lane.
     
  4. Staxawax

    Staxawax Well-Known Member

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    You can be in the act of shooting and get fouled but still not get the shot off in time. That is what happened, according to the referees. No, there is no "continuation" that continues after time expires.

    As far as who should have won, I agree with BUcheer. I thought Evansville played a terrible 1st half and really Butler had little to do with it. They played more like the team they were supposed to be in the 2nd half and our "experienced" players didn't show. Sure the foul differential and all, but that is to be expected on the road. I didn't expect a win going in and I think road games non-con are going to be very tough for this young team to win.
     
  5. VonZipper

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    I totally agree with all of you...we should have, and WOULD have, had that game in the bag if we had just not suffered from "lead lag" as Butler is wont to do for a couple seasons now, but I get so frustrated when we put ourselves in a position that the officials end up having the deciding vote in the way the game plays out. We simply have to play harder the more we are up...never have I heard that there is such a thing as too big a lead. Still, I'm liking enough of what I am seeing to be very excited with what's ahead this season. We've had season tickets since '96 and haven't seen a team quite like the dynamic this one presents in Hinkle so far. It will be interesting and challenging for Brad Stevens to piece together. Another good season to be a Butler fan...same as always.
     
  6. Title

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    It was a horrid loss. Even without Woods and Jones available to play the gulf in talent between the two teams should render the location of the game moot.

    There is not a player on Evansville's team that wouldnt be in a Butler uniform, if they had been interested. It's NOT ok to lose to inferiors. But, it happens. Especially, when some of your best players aren't playing (and two bench players are still getting starter time)
     
  7. brian35

    brian35 Active Member

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    Title is completely right when describing the loss to Evansville. The negatives in this game for Butler were, in large part, self-inflicted. We turned the ball over 18 times, our free throw shooting was sub-par, we allowed too much dribble-drive penetration, Stigall did not work to get himself open, Marshall was missing in action, we gave up 80 points, and the list keeps going. Yes, this was a road game and another new arena inaugural event. Yes, the MVC officials left much to be desired especially towards the end of the game. However, we should have built on our intermission lead and cruised to an 18-20 point win. There are lessons to learn from this loss.
     
  8. butlerfan

    butlerfan New Member

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    I am not the kind of person that really dwells on refs and the results they can sometimes inflict, but Sat was bad. Real bad. It wasn't just the end of the game calls or no calls ala the Colt Ryan steal while standing out of bounds, it was the total inconsistency the whole game. 43 FTA to 24 FTA speaks volumes. Butler is a physical team on defense, but is a team that is sound and has good technique. Those refs gave Colt Ryan Michael Jordan status.

    Brad was agitated from the get go and it appeared he had only one ref that was even remotely giving him a chance to speak his case. Grimshaw is green as all hell and should not be in a game like that. Daily is awful IMO.

    Thank goodness there is a game tonite and next Sat and we can move on, but the refs were an overrriding factor in that game. It happens, but usually not to the extent we witnessed in Evansville.
     
  9. mk_1

    mk_1 New Member

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    i hate blaming refs for outcomes. and although i was fairly heated about some of those calls, in the end, 1 free throw wins it. and really butler shouldn't have even been in that position. they should have played a better final 5-10 minutes of that game...
     
  10. Jared Grubbs

    Jared Grubbs Administrator Staff Member VIP Member

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    Refs steal games in the final seconds every year. It happens quite a bit. But I just can't recall another time where officials have blown 2 calls against the same team in the final second of game time like that. Butler had that game locked up and won twice. There is no excuse for them not sealing it up a 3rd time, but that doesn't change the fact that the officials still stole it twice.
     
  11. pjohnsto2003

    pjohnsto2003 Well-Known Member

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    I am interested to see if IU gets as much of a screw-job tonight in Evansville as the Bulldogs did on Saturday. And, if so, I am REALLY interested to hear the comments coming from the IU contingent on Indy Star, Peegs, etc.
     
  12. grtfldead

    grtfldead New Member

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    They'll probably run into similar problems with the refs, but IU will win this game. Or, at least, I will be surprised if they don't pull it off. I think IU looks pretty strong right now and they have more perimeter fire power than Evansville, not to mention an inside presence. I guess we'll see. #godawgs all day everyday. Oh, the IU contingent will go BALLISTIC if they get denied some calls-a given.
     

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